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Marijuana and hermaphroditism
What is a hermaphrodite marijuana plant?
Hermaphrodite marijuana plant
Hermaphrodite marijuana plants develop both male and female flowers. While it is a natural feature of the cannabis plant, it is an undesired trait when growing marijuana for consumption, since there is a great chance to obtain a plant full of seeds, what seriously reduces the quantity and quality of the final product.
Hermaphroditism can have 2 origins: genetic and environmental.
Genetically, some marijuana strains are more sensitive to hermaphroditism than others. This can be explained by the genetic origins of the strain – Thai sativas, for example, usually reach a high percentage of hermaphrodite plants – or also by the technique used when producing seeds (GA3,…).
Regardless its genetic sensitivity, a marijuana plant can also become hermaphrodite by the influence of stress. When it feels that the flowering conditions are too hard, hermaphroditism is an effective and natural way to shorten this period, pollinating its female flowers with the pollen of a few male clusters (usually called “bananas”).
Stress, that highly increases the risk of hermaphroditism, may have several causes, such as:
- Changes in the photoperiod, specially interruptions of the dark period during flowering
- Too much heat (>27°C aproximately), wrong environmental conditions
- Harvesting too late, when the grower misses the deadline for harvesting his/her plants
- Mechanical stress: broken branches, damaged roots, pruning during flowering,…
- Irrigation issues (lack or excess)
- Insects, mites, diseases…
- Thermal stress (irrigating plants with cold water…)
- Use of phytotoxic products (pestic >
Detail of a hermaphrodite marijuana bud
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Hermaphrodite marijuana bud
To avoid hermaphrodite marijuana plants, the main rule is avoiding any kind of stress during their flowering period, so we limit the risks as far as possible. Pruning and staking of the plants should be performed during their growth and/or pre-flowering stage (stretch), before the buds start developing.
In order to lower the chances to get hermaphrodite plants, you should: mantain good environmental conditions in your growing space, a perfect hygiene, regularly monitor your timers , check your plants for insects and mites, water them regularly with a balanced nutrient solution. At the end of flowering, carefully check the trichomes so you don’t miss the harvest deadline.
When you have to decide which marijuana strains to grow on your next crops, carefully read any comments from other growers on the chosen strains, as well as seedbank advices and recommendations on them, so you have all the information about these seeds and can better avoid those strains with hermaphrodite traits in their genepool. Actually, if there are too many comments about the hermaphroditism of a specific strain, the breeder him/herself often withdraws it from the market.
Regular cannabis seeds are known for being less sensitive to hermaphroditism than feminized seeds, although this is not an axiom, we must carefully chech our plants for male flowers whatever the type of seed we are growing.
What to do when we find hermaphrodite marijuana plants?
As we mentioned before, it is very important to carefully check our plants for male flowers from the beginning of flowering. During the flowering period, these male flowers are easily observed due to their yellow colour and banana shape. We will also check for mites or insects, as well as molds, so we avoid the most common cannabis pests .
If a plant shows male and female flowers from the beginning of flowering, unfortunately we will have to eliminate it immediately from the growing space. Otherwise, it could pollinate the entire crop, transmitting the hermaphrodite trait to the offspring.
When the plant becomes hermaphrodite at full flowering, we have 2 options:
- If the plant only produces few male flowers, we can remove them with a pair of tweezers (sterilized with alcohol), spraying water on them – water sterilizes pollen – and then watching for new bananas.
- If the plant produces numerous male flowers, we should eliminate it from the growing space.
Finally, if a marijuana plant becomes hermaphrodite at the end of flowering, we should harvest it as soon as possible, before the male flowers release their pollen.
Detecting a hermaphrodite marijuana plant
Marijuana seeds developing
If you find seeds in your harvested buds and there is not any male plant near your growing spot, it is because there was at least one hermaphrodite plant in your crop. Those male flowers that were not removed released their pollen next to the female plants. Unfortunately, once pollinated the plant focuses its energy on producing seeds, instead of producing new flowers.
As we already mentioned, these seeds coming from hermaphrodite pollen will mantain this undesirable trait, so it is recommended not to grow them.
We hope that these tips will help you to efficiently detect hermaphrodite plants, so you can get the most out of your sinsemilla marijuana crop!!
What to do with hermaphrodite plants? Cut them off!!
171 comments on “ Marijuana and hermaphroditism ”
I bought 24 different flavors from bonza seeds.n the beginning starting to flower the first atch , after about 4 weeks I noticed some plants starting to hermi. I had about 60 4 ft tall plants . Did’nt get too russeled by it I did go on the internet to see if I had everything dialed in and found out , light leaks were everywhere and started chopping as I spotted them. well time went by and it got worse. seemed I wasn’t keeping up fast enough to get rid of the problem ,, it ended up ruining everything. had new veg plants ready that I took before I started first flower so clones shouldn’t be affected, right, well I started having this problem like 7 months ago and have gone thru crop after crop , after crop, after crop. and evry time its the same just after the first week when the pistols start forming , all the sudden your looking at beginning buds with some good beginning pistols and then all hell breaks loose ,EVERYTIME! EVERYTIMEI go thru the process of tossing the crop in the garbage and dissect each piece of equipment , ive sprayed bleach water on walls ceiling steam clean with bleach all carpets, total forensic application to remedy and each time the same friggin result. I know that in the beginning for the first 4 to 5 weeks things were on fire , all the strains were budding a lot and then the problem set in so I really feel good that the seeds are quality female bought. Now they start out first week strating to shoot pistols and then start going further and it is the weirdest thing, every strain even some that started bomb stable reg seeds were used to create good control of female strain. well even that one , all seemingly at the same time get affected showing absolutely zero male flowers to be found , what happens is a little seed starts forming at the center top of every and each flower site on every plant. Understand I am venting my lights from outside room thru lights completely sealed venting outside, then I made the 9×10 area completely sealed except three heap filters at bottom for cool filtered air entering flowering area with brand new ac in area keeping temp perfect , water perfect, ph ,kept up on. I can only assume its airbourne. each time I unzip and enter flower area I shut down all ventilation so nothing goes in, then zipping up turning on venting fans and ac, so you see Ive kept up with atmosphere, I cant figure this out. I grow In veg, literallywhat you would call a text book looking beautiful plant, I mean georgeous plants ready for flower and something is preventing me from taking 15,000 dollars worth of state of the art equipment new. I am at the point I cant figure this out. I have spent months trying to eradicate this pollen( so I guess) now I have no more answers , other than move to a new home. Pleased tell me what I can do. is there a list of strains that are hermaphrodite proof that I can buy to make this wont happen anymore. I have probably processed in the hundreds of plants and not one plant has been successful. Its like the house im in has an omen. Can anyone help me with this. I have all new can filterand fans , and light kits , new ducting, any idea? I cleaned and bleached and cleaned and bleached at least three times Someone please help me. I used to grow trainwreck and never had this happen so I know what its supposed to be doing and I know what they are supposed to look like and where they should be after this is literally driving me crazy. were talking months and months . I have processed in seven months probably now hundreds of plants and not even so much as ONE successful plant. When I used to grow trainwreck, every crop was spot on. Now I get feminized seeds and this is what I got going on, what do I do with this one….I do have a new set of high grade feminized seeds from bonza going. Any suggestions. I am lost.
Honestly, it’s a little difficult to understand what you’re saying in places here but, it’s sounds like you’re saying that you’re not finding any male flowers at all, that you’re just seeing some minor seed development. IF that is the case why the hell are you throwing all this weed away? IF you’re not finding any male flowers then you are somehow just getting pollen into your environment and there is nothing wrong with your weed, just a few seeds. I can see how that would be aggravating after everything you’ve done but, it’s no reason to throw all that weed away. If you are finding male flowers on these plants, and you’re doing everything to prevent stresses to your plants, (light leaks, over/under watering, etc.), then I’d say you must have had the misfortune to get a terrible batch of seeds. It’s hard to imagine how you’d be getting pollen into your environment after all you’ve done, unless you live someplace where there is a lot of marijuana being cultivated outdoors near you and your pulling it in with the AC, but if all it is is just pollination, and not male flowers appearing that are causing the pollination, then they are not hermaphrodite, just seeded. Shitty? Yes. Worth throwing weed out for? No.
I’d be interested to know which it is, male flowers appearing, or just seeds?
Hey Papa Indica, Steveo here , thanks for getting back to me. it all started when I bought 24 different strains from bonza seeds who maintains a great rating. so I started growing them and they were all seemingly picture perfect thick bushy female looking plants in the veg, all nice and stinky, all feminized seeds. I have been growing on and off for about ten years and only mildly had this problem before. I grew them under 3 (8 tuber lights (killer lights),, all was good then I took them in the room next door to flower under 4,000 watts in an area only 80 square feet, Atmosphere was kept good. about four to five weeks in I noticed my cotton candy strain was showing hermi signs,,there were about 50 to60 plants in dripper buckets flowering all different strains when I saw this happening. went on the internet to check myself to see what might be happeninjg and yep I was stupid enough to have light leaking in there for that long, well it set off a chain reaction to all of the plants one after the next after the next. i simply could not keep up with the pollen production, well obviously with inline fans and regular fans and air conditioners etc. this became a l;iving nightmare, now for the past seven months I have torn the room apart down to every little item ,, but It never seemed to be enough, what keeps happening is I go to put a new batch of untainted veg plants into the newly cleaned flower room with all new liner on walls ,everything cleaned etc and every time the result is the same all the plant ,each and every strain starts ouyt looking good first week then second week starts to come along and by the end of the second week. when at this time we should be looking at plants that are all starting to bloom well with pistols all over starting good bud formation and what I see is that I CANNOT find ANY male flowers on any of the plants, no bananas no nothing what I am seeing and experiencing is what seems to be a small seed starting to grow from the very tip and center of each and every single flower on every plant,,and it seems to all happen suddenly. so between myself and my grow store owner buddies we came to the conclusion that there just was so much pollen produced for so many weeks with such large plants going that it is my belief they are getting still hit with lingering pollen. aahhh finally got that all out. well if your a master maybe you can tell me what you think,, I am an overdoer with just about everything I do. but I would say its a good thing, I just like quality things not the crap most of the world is making now. I must have spent almost $2,000 on seeds . the ones that seems to be stable and seem to show me true double pistol females are my pyramid seeds tutankhamon, delicious seeds critical super silver haze and aurora indica,. all the time I would take cvlones off the big plants before I would put them into flower to continue the strains, thus eliminating infecting the new plants. as well I keep veg lights on 24-7 to help as well. all I can come up with is the carpet in my place is old and worn out and that is one of my enemies ,, I install tile for 26 years now so I have decided to rip out all of the carpet in all of this house bedrooms living room , everything will be new tile and new paint in the next week, I then have new strains I ordered so I can be safe and just start fresh. I just don’t think it was the seeds or the genetics of the plants , cause wouldn’t I see some sign of male flower production even in the second week of flowering if there lets say was a hermaphrodite in the room that caused this, shouldn’t the hermaphrodite plant show male pollen sacs? hey cool talking with you Papa Indica. Ill check back in a day or so to see if you got this. Thanks and keep on token,,SteveO
First off, I certainly wouldn’t call myself a master but, I do have some years of growing experience under my belt and I have the added benefit of two heads being better than one. I have a cousin who lives near me and we both started indoor growing about the same time, over the years we’ve worked together and helped each other.
From what you’re saying, I’m horrified that you’ve been throwing all that weed away! It is crazy that you’d still have a pollen problem after all that, and I understand only wanting the best but, you’ve thrown away crop after crop for just a bit of minor seed development. This would be perfectly understandable if they were hermaphrodite, but it’s just seed. From what you say, the minor seed formation that you’re seeing shouldn’t have too much effect on resin production. Worst case scenario, you have to pick a couple of seeds out from your smoke on each plant, best case, each of those seeds will be a feminized cross between what’s growing and whatever pollenated your grow. Although I’m sure you wouldn’t want to bother messing with them to find out. I’ve come across a surprise seed on occasion, wasn’t sure how it happened but, it didn’t have any negative effect on the smoke, beautiful to look at, to smoke, and sticky to the point of being ridiculous. I’m disabled with primary progressive multiple sclerosis so, unfortunately, I have to be a little more accepting of something like that. It’s difficult enough at times just to keep my grow going properly without having to go to the extremes you have to keep pollen out. Not to say that I have seeds in all my weed because I certainly do not. That’s one thing that’s strange to me, I’ve seen an occasional seed and been able to do nothing really about it but, it hasn’t been an ongoing problem, then there’s you going to extremes to rid yourself of the pollen and it’s still a problem, strange.
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck getting the pollen under control. In the mean time, I think the best advice I can give you is; even if you do see some minor seed production, don’t throw the crop out for it, that’s a lot of time, effort, and money wasted, I’m sure it will still be good enough that lot’s of people would love to have it, including yourself.
Happy tokin’ brother. I hope I’ve been some help gettin’ you back in the game.
Oh yeah, yes, if you had a hermaphrodite in your grow causing it, you would be able to find the pollen sacks if you examined your plants thoroughly.
Hey, Papa Indica , good hearing from you. SteveO the Stoner here.i do grow to produce my medicine for my sciatica back issues, so it is vital I figure this out. Just to say, thanks for your input. So if you were to answer a question, being that we both agree it had to be atmospheric male pollen that most likely got to these plants. What your saying is that even with all the 30 some odd plants being all affected with this and the fact that they were just starting to go into flower in the second week , that even with each and every newly developing flower on every plant seemed to be a new seed growing right in the tips of the flowers ,, that I should let them continue to produce , no matter what,, and you seem to believe that if I let them grow from this point on that I will have what you believe will be a good deal of bud with only some seeds? Won’t the fact that I am allowing the plants to produce seeds in any way shape or form continue to increase the amount of male pollen production in the room? Ohh and lets say your starting a new batch of female feminized seeds and one of them happens to be hermaphrodite and you don’t know it is and you go on to flower it with the rest of them . how long does it generally take for the hermi plant to generate and pass along its pollen to another female plant? if you have this info , that would be also very helpful. Thanks once again Papa Indica!!
Normally, two things can happen:
-If your plant was hermie, it will start flowering and will develop female and male flowers at the same time, so these male flowers will pollinate the female ones and by harvest time you’ll have your plants full of seeds. The first male flowers will release their pollen around 10-15 days after their development. Normally, seeds take 4-6 weeks to develop.
-On the other hand, sometimes plants develop a few male flowers at the last stage of the flowering period. These male flowers won’t seed your crop since you’ll harvest the plants before they are open (actually, some times these late male flowers aren’t even fertile).
I would also suggest using HEPA filters (or any other suitable filters) in your ventilation system, so all air coming into your growroom is previously filtered from pollen and other particles.
You can make very nice concentrates with seeded crops!! ?
To your first question, the answer is no. Seeds do NOT produce pollen of any kind, so there is absolutely no risk of pollen getting into your grow because of seed production. Seed production is the RESULT of pollen getting onto your female plants. It’s simply procreation, (in plant form), the male flower releases pollen that lands on the female flower and the resulting seeds are the babies. Babies are not capable of impregnating anyone so, no pollen from them. Sorry to say but, you’ve thrown an awful lot of smoke away for no more reason than it would have had a handful of seeds in it, bummer bro.
And I think Dani covered your second question.
So, let ’em grow! Obviously you want to rid yourself of pollen in your grow if you can but, if you do get a few seeds it’s not the end of the world. I really hope you haven’t been mistaking bud structure for seed development, that would REALLY be a shame. Little pods are a typical part of bud structure, seeing pods doesn’t equate to seeing seeds.
Good luck bro!
hello.. i am sort of new to growing. I have been growing with my dad now for three years. We recently encountered a hermaphrodite problem in our flower room.we have a indoor room and outdoor room, as i brought down the ones inside i was at a crop out every two weeks the last two crops we brought down had seeds, as does the rest of the ones left in the flower room(4) those ones left in there are about to be cut down in a week. We notices what also appeared in our outdoor room looks like we have the same problem going on. As frustrating as this is, I want to make sure take the proper actions to prevent this from happening again.
My first question is.. is my veg room going to be ok? I worry cuz the door to veg room is always open, so, are all of the veg plants now infected?
Next, should I throw everything out, clones, veg, flower? And should I bleach the whole area where both of my grow rooms are located?
Like I said i am pretty new to this and never had this problem happen and I am freaking out a little. Any suggestions would be awesome! thank you
As Papa Indica comments (see his answer), you should thoroughly wash all your grow rooms (veg+flower) and plants. Blow everything if you can before setting everything up again. Using HEPA filters with your air extractirs can also be a good idea, but this mainly works for external pollen sources. If you think that perhaps you have pollen in your room, you can place an extractor with HEPA filters recirculating the air of your room to catch the suspended pollen. Regularly clean the filters. When you think it is done, carefully remove this extractor and clean your room again before starting the next crop.
First off, if it isn’t hermaphrodite, don’t throw it away! While seeded weed is typically undesirable it’s still perfectly usable. Next, I would complete my harvesting, (without moving anything new to the flower room), then remove everything from your veg. and take it outside. Wash your veg. room down thoroughly with bleach. Chances are your vegging plants haven’t picked up much, if you have access to compressed air on-site gently blow them down one at a time before bringing them back in, if not, gently shake them down and bring them in one at a time. Then thoroughly wash your flowering room(s) down with bleach. Before you start washing be sure to change out any air filters you have, and if you do have a compressor it wouldn’t be a bad idea to blow out any ducting in the rooms as well. That should pretty well take care of it, I don’t think I’ve forgotten anything. The worst that can happen from that point is the possibility of finding a random seed in your buds if you missed anything, (or getting another hermaphrodite somewhere down the road that pollenates your grow again and you have to do it all over again, but that wouldn’t be a result of this). Best of luck, and remember, seeds suck but, they’re no reason to throw crops away. Happy tokin’!
Thanks much guys for your help. That was my question I was trying to get answered. now that I went in and took out most of the carpet , pad, etc, and replaced the home with tile and new paint , I seem to be having much better luck this time. it seems that a newly flowering plant that is just about two weeks into flower displays a similar type of pod like tip at the center tip of the new flower. I believe that the pod loike tips can be quite deceiving. I am pretty sure what I have tossed was definitely pollinated by some still lingering pollen in the home, but now it seems that most of the issue is going away, the way I have determined this is that my new batch of 2 wk in flowering plants seem to be for the most part growing the flowers properly now, although out of about thirty flowering plants I only found four that got hit again, while the rest of them are quite obviously now making pistols which turns into bud. I think that the pollen seems to slip in when I open the zipper to enter the flower area. But all is well finally now , I now have what appears to be 27 good gorgeous flowering plants that are seedless. Boy , that has got to be one of the biggest pain in the butt problems to completely get rid of. with new carbon can filters and heap filters all hooked up , it still challenged me. But through perseverance I beat it. It can be erraticated if you keep working at it. I had this problem once before , although nowhere as extreme as this time. I am just glad I had you guys to help me out. Even after growing on and off for eleven years , the learning never stops when it comes to growing. I appreciate you guys helping me out,. That was my main question was could a true genetic female that had gotten slightly hit with pollen from lingering in the air, now that that plant has shown that it has been affected by pollen, could that plant go on to infect the rest of the crop, and you answered that the babies could impregnate anything else, yes that was my quaetion, and I believe you have successfully answered that for me , so again, thankyou. You have been very helpful! SteveO. I will at the end try and post the finished results. .
You’re very welcome SteveO, I’m just happy to have been able to help. I used to be vital and strong, now with my disability I’m fragile and weak. When that happens it’s real easy to feel completely useless. So, it’s always nice to be reminded that I can still contribute something to others.
You are absolutely right, the learning curve never seems to end, there’s always more to be picked up. The entire time I’ve been growing has been a learning experience, we refine and refine and refine some more. At this point I don’t think my technique requires any more fine tuning but, who knows what tomorrow will bring because, I am still learning.
Anyway, I would like to hear how things turn out for you, some good news to mix with all the bad would be nice. Happy tokin’ brother! :^]_
Your contributions to this Blog already show that considering you “useless” would be as stupid as unfair. I completely agree with you, learning is the key, when a person thinks he/she knows everything then it means he/she just stopped learning. Thanks a lot for your comments, we really appreciate your participation in our blog.
All our best wishes!
Thank you Dani, much appreciated.
Hello, a friend of mine has seven plants all just starting preflower outdoor. His problem is that while 4 of the plants are girls through and through though no pistils yet since they just started, the other three while at first “were” definitely female after about 4 days from the first signs, the new signs through out the majority of the plant show male. My question is, is there anything that can be done to reverse this (cut off all the male preflowers) or is this a done deal. His last growing season he had a very similar situation in that the plant at first showed female calyx’s and then by the end of it, it was a total male plant or so he thought. He took the plant and cured it just because it was his only plant and low and behold about 30-50 seeds from that single male plant with no real apparent bud to say the least. So in fact it was a hermied male. Does anyone have any experience with this happening?
It seems like your friend had an hermaphrodite plants. Hermies do not always follow the same pattern, some produce more male flowers, while others produce much less. There is no way to reverse that. That plant produced seeds because the male flowers pollinated the few female pre-flowers that the plant developed at the beginning of the flowering stage.
Personally, I’ve never had a plant that “turned” completely male, all hermies I’ve seen are actually females that develop more or less male flowers.
Let’s see if someone has experienced this…
I have been growing the same Purp strain for 4 years. I had a hermie plant a few years ago that had many female flowers before I discovered (too late) a male branch low on the plant. So I got a lot of seeds which I have been growing. The male plants of this strain are bushy and tend to show female flowers at first. The scraggy plants that I at first thought were males end up being females – very strange. Now I have a very female looking plant that is very bushy and showing plenty of female flowers. but I have just discovered some male pollen sacks on 2 lower branches – deja vu. I nipped off those branches instead of culling the plant because it is such a good looking specimen. But if I find one more set of pollen sacks, that baby is getting chopped.
Thanks Dani. I thought that it was strange too but I saw it with my own eyes and it looks like the same thing happening again. I think its the strain.
It sounds to me like your seeds are loaded with hermaphrodite genes, I’d recommend moving on. Buying a new batch of seeds and starting over would probably be your best bet.
Seeds from a hermaphrodite are most likely going to produce only hermaphrodites. Feminized seeds are created by stressing a female to produce male flowers, (either with colloidal silver or by letting it flower too long, other methods of stressing MAY work but, these are the two accepted methods), then using the male pollen that’s collected to seed another female. So, if your seeds HAD turned out well you would have all females, not a mix. From what you’re saying it sounds like they’re all hermaphrodite with some showing more male traits and others showing more female traits. In my opinion, you’re only going to continue to have problems until you give up on that batch of seeds.
Hey Dani, SteveO here once again, Hey Papa Indica Hows it goin. well good news about he male pollen issue . I seem to havegotten rid of it . Now all of the strains are fin full bloom, aaahhh. finally. I appreciate everything you guys helped me with. I am contacting you with a new issue . well question? I have been for the past four or five weeks misting my flowering plants , actually quite often, and I think I may have been making another mistake here. All the flowers are blooming with beautiful white pistols as they shouls and , obviously now going on four and fifth weeks into flowering , the plants have grown the bulk of their formation. My issue is , I touch the buds and they are not sticky, they are soo dry. I was thinking, Ive kept the dark periodtemperature less than a ten degree fluctuation , so while lights are on it goes to 76 degrees then , in their dark period , I set the ac to keep them at 67 or so. My ph has stayed consistent, and I run GH trio with floralicios plus , big bud , and sensizym, kool bloom, hydroguard, all at about half of my rez capacity which has always seemed to work well. I bet your going to tell me that ive been washing away all the resin away with the chlorine in the tap water , aren’t you? I hope this is it. Cant think of anything else I might have done wrong? Also I am at 110 watts per ft of lighting , is that too much light , the plants stay at 76 degrees and seem to be doing well. I did notice that all of the buds of all the strains are extraordinarily dense and hard , I mean very hard. it almost seems to me that I might be happier if they were not as dense and Hard as they are. Do you think Ill get better results from backing off of the light a bit to let the flowers maybe expand more? Anyways I would appreciate any feedback out there. Thanks Yo,, Keep On Token!!
Firstly, I’m glad you got rid of your pollen issue!! Good for you!! ?
About your new issue: Is spraying your plants the only new thing you’ve done? What did you use to spray them? New strains perhaps? Some landrace strains do not react well to nutrients and constant waterings, they produce almost no resin. Are you growing known cuts?
I would raise your temps to 80/70 degrees, although I don’t think that is the problem. Hot temperatures produce fluffy buds, while colder temps tend to produce harder flowers.
I never spray my plants when they have buds, always stop spraying them once they finish the pre-flowering stage. Regarding chlorine, I use tap water and I’ve never seen this issue, but I always let it rest for at least one day before use. You could try to raise your lamp a bit and see if your buds develop normally.
Often times different strains require different care also, if you’re growing different strains it’s possible that they’re responding to your nutrients and/or environment differently than what you’re used to or expect. Environment can make a major difference, humidity and temperature levels and the amount of water they’re receiving can all have a huge impact. Flowering plants like a less humid environment than vegging plants, by spraying your flowering plants you’re simulating a high humidity situation for them. Besides the impact that may have on them, it also opens the door for mold to develop in/on your buds. I never mist them once they’ve left the veg room. I don’t know what kind of watering routine you have but, overwatering can seriously affect your results, since plants can drink through they’re leaves as well as the roots this may well be an issue. In my experience, they do much better when you let them get good and dry between watering’s. It’s a fine line though, too dry isn’t good either. You have to go by the weight of your containers, grab the pot and pick the plant up, you’ll learn to recognize the difference between wet/moist weight and dry weight. It’s damn near impossible to have too much light, you can definitely have them too close or too far away but, too much? No. No matter what you have for lights you’ll never recreate the intensity of the sun.
P.S. In my *humble* opinion, there’s no such thing as buds too dense and hard, but that’s a preference thing I guess.
I appreciate the feedback. I intend to stop spraying them once they go into flower. Its just I grew up on a golf course and when I got to teenage , got a job cutting the grass on the course. As I would always cut the grass , I noticed that the grass around the sprinkler heads would always grow faster and taller than the surrounding. This just goes to show you how much there is to learn . I now know they need to be treated differently than the vegging plants. The one thing I will ad is ,I am growing several different strains in the same flood and drain table. For the most part , I would say the plants look good overall. I was thinking my temperature was getting too low in the dark time. In the 3×6 tray I have ,,cotton candy critical super silver haze, buuba kush, stacked og kush, strawberry diesel. Id say I’ve got quite a mix. The one cotton candy seems to be finishing way early. As to answering the one question. I did use phosphaload to boost the flowering at week two and bud blood first week. I’m pretty sure between making an adjustment in temperature and no more misting will most likely do the trick. I am also as well in the future going to keep the strains separated by themselves in their own flood trays instead of mixing them together while flowering. I felt I could find a happy medium of food that all the strains could grow with. I am also probably going to stay away from any of the additives I the future. Thank you guys for you help! SteveO
I’ve made quite a few crops with up to 10 different strains using the same nutrient solution with no issues. But I must admit that best results come with strains with similar nutritional needs.
Perhaps you could try organic farming with solid nutrients, so your plants have available everything they need as they need it.
Yeah, I’m always growing multiple strains myself, and things generally go fine but, if someone has tailored their grow to a specific strain, or strains, they can find the results to be quite different when they move on to something else. For the most part, you can get very good results treating them all pretty much the same but, if you want the best possible results a grow needs to be tailored to that specific strain. While many do share traits and genetics conducive to flourishing under the same conditions, others will have different nutritional and environmental needs in order to flourish.
This will likely be my last comment on Alchimia, I’m starting to feel like I’ve outlived my welcome. I’ve only wanted to be helpful, but that can mean different things to different people.
Best of luck to you all!
Please disregard the last couple sentences of my last comment, I’ll be around. I was just being a neurotic, paranoid mess for a minute there. :^]_
No problem mate, I’m so glad to read you are not leaving!!
Just read about your problem.Personally I think your seeds are probably feminized which for me has been an equal nightmare.There are clones available everywhere.Do you live in Cali? I recently found a GREAT seed and clone Co. by the name of King Klone brand,they are in Vallejo Ca. Like you said some stains (cherry pie,cotton candy ,)or anything bread with these strains are prone to flipping about every other time. I have had similar problems. For me the one strain I have never had problems with is OG Kush. I have been six weeks into flower and had several different stains flip in the same room as flowering OG girls and they have been fine. Every time. Also another thing that really works is the product Reverse made by Dutch master.You cant get it at a grow store anymore but you can still buy online. This product will not change a male into a female,but it will stop your girls from flipping to males. The product is pricey,($200 gallon)but worth it. Only two applications,once at seven days into flower,another a week or so later. I hope that helps. Heady Girl
Hello Stevo, its heady girl again.I just saw your second problem.DO NOT SPRAY YOUR PLANTS IN FLOWER. Cannabis is a weed and prefers mostly dry climates. If your are spraying buds in flower like PaPa said you will be flirting with mold especially with dense buds.Every time you water almost all of the water comes back out of the plant in the form of transpiration. I know your probably freaked out about your plants herming again but you may be creating a whole new problem. As far as you buds feeling dry I suggest a pure water flush for a few days. I think you may have nutrient burn. Some strains like Girl Scout Cookies are far more susceptible to nutrient burns than others. If I were you I would water as normal only without nutrients for a few days and see if problem starts to fix its self. One more thing, I wonder if you have the book the indoor outdoor bible by Cervantis? Really helpful book,easy to understand. Good luck,I hope any of this helps. Heady girl
Hello heady girl,
I think whoever you were getting seeds from must have been a sub-par breeder. I’ve bought and grown nothing but feminized seeds, (I clone also), for all of the years I’ve been growing indoors and I’ve never had one turn hermaphrodite on it’s own. I’ve light-stressed one into growing a few male flowers but, never had one turn on it’s own, EVER. So, I believe you’ve had a misrepresentation of what feminized seeds are, what telecranker has does not sound like feminized seeds to me.
You’re right, Jorge Cervantes has written some very informative books on all aspects of growing, after reading “Marijuana Horticulture – The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower’s Bible” written by him I made a couple of changes in the way I was doing things and it worked out well for me. He’s written a few others as well.
Hi Papa Indica and heady girl,
I’ve seen very few feminized seeds turning hermaphrodite, and almost all times it has been caused by using parents with hermaphodite traits.
While I appreciate the work of Jorge Cervantes, once you’ve mastered his teachings I would strongly suggest to look at Robert C. Clarke’s or Greg Green’s works. If you want to deepen into the study of cannabis, you need to check these guys.
Thanks for your comments!
Heady girl got me thinking, have you tried any kind of sugar boost? I always give my plants a shot or two of unsulphured molasses during flowering. If you’re not already doing this, it might help.
I don’t know about nutrient “burn”, that would be evident in the leaves. A nutrient “lock” could be an issue, this is caused by a build-up of salts that prevent the uptake of nutrients by the roots. A good flush with straight water should cure this.
Can you all guys tell me.
How much Thc level in percentege does the Hermie got?
Hermies have low THC levels, since besides being half male / half female, they often end up the flowering stage completely seeded, what causes the plant to produce little THC when compared to sinsemilla plants.
Thank you Dani.
Well i founded only one seed the rest are not seeds in strong shape more like peal and its not that much of it.
It ended exatly 8 weeks Durban poison indoor.
Weed does not have any smell at all smells more like ordinary herb.
Well thank you
Hey Papa Indica. what are you doing ,talking about going away,, no,no,no,, we need guys like you out there who are willing to take the time to help others. Things are getting pretty sticky now lately for the good part. now that the pollen issue seems to have been cleaned up , thank God , I am moving on, Here are just a few of the strains I have, ,, Kong Diesel, Pineapple Funk, Holy Grail Kush , OG-18, OG-Kush, Cotton Candy, Sour Diesel, Super Silver Haze , Critical Super Silver Haze, Berry Bomb, Skunk #1, Strawberry Cough, Strawberry Diesel, Yeah I can go on …Crazy huh,,In the end I will just be keeping select ones. I can be very picky. I am just trying to find a handful of strains I will keep in the end. But so far I have been happy to have had the two of you guys on this log to help me through some of my issues, so a thanks to you , Papa Indica. I have to make some adjustments in my nutrient levels , and work on timing on the harvest,(getting a baddass scope soon for that, and will post my results that you guys help me achieve soon. my sour diesel resonated up like a mthrf— . simply unreal resin production . I have grown many plants but these two were amazing,, just think I got a bit excited and picked just a little too soon. The misting I have done in the past has been with just tap water to try and cool the room a bit and to wash away built up nitrogen I had built up in the plants. I am going to be resisting though from doing this as it does wash away resin and should only be done moderately. I’m also going to be giving them a good flushing from now on and think, I wilI start to give them a good flushing from now on. Cant wait to get it totally dialed in, I will display my pics soon for you guys if I can here on this site , not sure if it allows pics. Good to here from you Papa Indica. Take er easy and keep on token!
No worries SteveO, I’m not going anywhere any time soon. I was just having a moment. Glad to hear that things have turned the corner for you, it’s extremely frustrating when things don’t go well after putting so much time, effort, and cash into it. Believe me, I’ve had my share of problems in the past, it actually felt like I was getting someone else’s share too at the time. Lately, I must say, I’ve even been impressing myself though. I’ve had my grower friends jealous because they can’t seem to produce buds as nice and fat as mine. It feels good, for a long time, (at least it felt like a long time), I was the one behind the curve, now I’m ahead of the curve. Lots of trial and error, and a truck-load of persistence. That’s the key, persistence. Just keep pushing forward and eventually things come together.
Looking forward to hearing about your final results, remember to give them a good flush a few days before harvest, or at least a flushing solution. Best of luck!
Hey Papa Indica, what’s up.. Yeah I couldn’t believe it took me months and months to get rid of the volume of pollen I had created. I’d take everything apart and bleach everything and hepa filter all my intake air and it took months and months and more months time till I finally eradicated the all of the male pollen. LET THAT BE A LESSON FOR ALL YOU GROWERS OUT THERE. IF YOU DON’T WANT HERMAPHRODITES. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE NO LIGHT LEAKS IN YOUR FLOWER ROOM PERIOD. Don’t do Like I did and make that mistake. You will not be happy, trust me . I can assure you i’ll never let that happen again. Now just a little backing off of my nutes and resist from misting them as much and soon enough I should hit it out of the park.,oh yeah and I gota start flushin..em . I’ll get it tuned in on the timing on picking also. talk to you guys soon enough. Good hearin from you Papa Indica.
Hey SteveO and gang,
I’ve got to tell you what’s really blowing my mind in all of this. In a previous crop I light-stressed a plant, (accidentally), into developing some male flowers. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m disabled. EVERYTHING is difficult for me now, MS can be a real bitch. So, I take good care of my grow but, honestly, I do as little as possible to achieve my results. I knew that I had male flowers, pollen, and seeds developing on one plant but, I did nothing at all, I just let them finish. One other plant had a handful of seeds, while a couple others that were right there next to it got nothing at all. Strange right? Well, that crop finished up and I did nothing at all to clean up any loose pollen. Nothing. Now I’m smoking from the next crop, and I have yet to see any seeds. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if I come across a couple but, so far, nothing. Now granted, that kind of laziness with a grow is typically intolerable but, I really wasn’t feeling well at the time, (on top of my usual misery), so I let it go. I figured maybe a handful of seeds at the worst. But, as I said, I haven’t seen any. I obviously have fans running that should have spread the pollen all over my tent but, for some reason, it stayed pretty contained, and with no ongoing problem. When you consider the troubles you’ve been through, (and you’re certainly not the only one who’s had issues like that), it sounds pretty damn crazy, doesn’t it?
Actually, I must correct myself. There are certain things that I will always do no matter how shitty I feel, and sweeping my tent out after every crop is one of those things. So, I did do that.
All my female plants are growing pollin sacks I pulled up male plants as I noticed the little balls it put out but I’m not sure if there hermies or if thay were pollinated I’ve read so much I could of done wrong but the pics that I’ve seen dnt look like Wat is growing on all my females but do resemble pollinated sacks but I haven’t noticed any bannanas should I let grow or throw it all away I’m growing out side in soil I’ve made Wat is going on my trees look so big and beautiful I hate to lose all I have tried to do I’m a beginner my first crop ever
If you have pollen sacks in your females, that means they are actually hermies and you should get rid of them. If you see seeds developing in your females, it means that they have been pollinated either by males or hermies.
If you removed your male plants before pollen sacks were open, then you should look again for bananas on your females, since these seeds are most likely to come from hermaphrodite plants. If that is the case, remove your plants and discard those seeds. Seeds coming from hermaphrodite pollen usually produce hermaphrodite plants.
Hey Papa Indica. SteveO here once again. your not gona believe this,,s–t,, went thru the craziness of pulling out the carpet in both grow rooms grow and flower, and out tile as you know, also painted, as well thoroughly cleaned everything, then had a decent run , but seemed to have a couple clicks to still work out, although had literally no seeds, well I wanted to change the room around , so I did an now, seeds are on the majority again. Im like ffcccckkkkk me. this is insane. Not only did I find a week or two in that I now am seeded in the room , and that most of them have seeds, I also found my greenhouse seeds , cheese starin had hermi flowers,even worse, as well my resrva prevada 0g-18 also found male flowers. I am so fcckd. I am about to end this game . This is just getting ridiculous. either overfeeding or male pollen, or spidermites, something always takes over every attempt I make at this Ive started chpping in the hopes to catch up with this crap once again. probably gona wipe everything out again , clean everything again and start with only a few strains to see if I can get it right. it seems I can grow the plant flawlessly nice , thick full lush and green everytime, every strain, then I get the plants to the aggtressive flowering stage , that’s when it all goes back down hill from there . like I said I cant get this figured out. I use three part general hydroponics with floralicious plus , big bud, and kool bloom. I ran this last batch in a 150 gallon rez with only 50 gallons worth of nutes , kept the room at around 75degrees consistenly with ph consistently stable at 5.8 ,added a mild steady flow of low dose co2 . what friggn more do these friggen things want?Jesus . I have done a lot of things in my life and have always been a master at following instructions, and have never been a quitter but this, IS getting ridiculous. There is something I am not getting right when it comes to 3/4 of the way thru flowering ,to the finished product. None of my bud has good flavor would you say that a plant should pretty much always have leaves dying on it before it should be chopped, because if that’s the case than I probably cut almost everything too early. I haven’t exactly kept up with time on the plants meaning keeping track of the days in flower. I have been putting many various strains in a flood and drain table at 1/3 strength nutes per water capacity. I feed them a ratio of 7,5,2, for basic growth and 8,5,2 for aggressive growth, both being applied in flower and grow. so that would be , 7ml grow 5ml micro,and 2ml flower for basic growth and for aggressive growth my chart says to up the 7 to 8 ml per gallon. then I run a ml of floralicious plus grow and flowering, and in flowering I add in the kool bloom 1ml per gallon and big bud at 5-10ml per gallon. Any suggestions out there would be much appreciated. All the seeds I am using are feminized so they are succeptable to turning hermi I know , but the environment has been diligently looked after. .
Wow SteveO, I’m bummin’ for you, that’s some really shitty luck you’re having. In the early days of my growing I had a looong spell of terrible luck, just unsmokable shit. My troubles were different than yours, and I always grow small numbers but, still just as aggravating. So, so frustrating. The only thing that’s making any sense to me SteveO is they must be getting stressed somehow. I’m really not sure what to say beyond that. I think you should go over to the Firestax forum, get yourself registered, and post a new topic in either the “Introduce Yourself” section or the “Grow Threads” section, I’m sure someone there can help you better than me at this point. There are a lot of guys over there that REALLY know their shit. I thought I knew growing pretty well but, being over there is a humbling experience. They certainly don’t try to make it that way though, very good group of guys over there, very easy to get along with and they seem very willing to help others.
I understand completely how you feel right now but, don’t give up, try to figure out what the problem is before starting the next crop. Like I said, I think it must be a stressing thing but you should definitely take my advice and seek some help there. If you do I’ll see you there. Best of luck bro.
Yooo,, Papa Indica SteveO here. I couldn’t agree with you more. I have been extracting the bud that , honestly isn’t as bad as I make it out to be. I am just extremely picky with my bud and am working to get to a certain quality level simply just to satisfy my own medicinal needs. I can tell you that you should see to clear translucent gold oil wax that comes out of the overfed bud that I have been extracting. it is incredible. One hit sh-t . total expantion in your lungs type quality so I know . I’m gona get this. Just gota keep hammering away at it. Just have to go thru long time frames with this hobby to work each glitch out. I had a woman at one of the garden stores I shop at that has a horticultural degree told me I need to work with regular seeds and sex them and to stay away from feminized seeds to eliminate the hermi genetics that lie within the feminized seeds. Feminised seeds are great if you have a flawless operation and you don’t make any errors. but make a couple mistakes and be prepared for the nightmare male pollen creation ride of your life. I have worked with these strains for about the past year and sometimes I find I get seeds on them and sometimes I do not , so I gota figure it has to be me, and something I am doing to stress them enough to go hermi. I know that reserva prevada and greenhouse seeds have a stellar reputation and before I planted any seeds, I did a thorough inspection to make sure I saw a nice formed round crater at the end of the seeds where it separates from the plant , and this is a practically 100 percent guaranteed way of determining a true female seed , so I have learned and so far , this has proven accurate. You know Papa Indica how I said before I couldn’t find any male seed pods . well , obviously the pollen had to develop from somewhere initially,,and that means that there HAD to be a hermi , I just wasn’t locating. I actually had to pull back the little lower buds all the way to where I was ripping it from off the plant , and low and behold a frikkin male pollen flower that had opened, and then I found another oine, and another. not good. Anyways I have some absolute unreal Honey oil/ wax extract that came from my strawberry cough and my og-18 strains. I will say that the strawberry cough, I have seen its results from the guy that gave me that plant., and the results are extraordinary without a doubt,, pure strawberry odor . big time and flower heavily the length of the stem loaded with sweet georgeous white pistols. absolutely amazing strain, . I am sooo close to nailing this strain, Kyle Kushman’s Strawberry Cough , along with the Reserva Prevada OG-18,as well Reserva Prevada Sour Diesel ,, these are just a few I am close to getting down rock soilid. I just gota figure out what I doing to stress these strains that I know can grow successfully if done properly. Just can’t quit when I am this close. When referrig to the oil/ wax , you know what they say ,that your oil/wax,, will be the result of the quality of the bud,. So if I am getting the quality level that I AM looking for in oil/wax from my plants then this tells me I just need to get my plants flushed out better to acquire the flavor that they should be producing. I am just wondering…how many of you out there would say that when you go to harvest your plants , that most of the time, you’ve waited and flushed them enough to where the leaves have started to die off, or do you sometimes pick plants that are ready to pick according to trichomes , and you find that they still have a lot of green leaves? how often do you have one or the other? Well , Got a lot of work tonight ,, gona head out for now, I am grateful to have this blog to help me out , especially the good quality info from Papa Indica , and Dan Alchimia. thanks for your input…it is greatly appreciated. you can believe it.
Oh , yeah , today I was at work and was thinking to myself how I would come on here and state , oh , its not my genetics,, and my atmosphere is dialed in , and so I had to laugh , cause there is no other option , its either one or the other and , here I was expecting someone to give me an answer other than those two.Ahh hers one for you. Do you think that hermis could be triggered from me having switched from feeding the plants filtered water, and then tired from work one day, came home and needed to do a water change,, got lazy, and set up the new water with just tap water , do you think this would cause the plants to get stressed enough to hermi?
Hey Papa Indica, just figured out that one of my plug bars was taking a dump and two of the center 600 watt lights were coming on and off at wrong times. I bet this was a part of the issue. Hope things are going well for you, hope to hear from you soon. Take er easy.
Well, for your first question, I always harvest according to the trichomes. I’ll snip a little piece of leaf from close to the bud and look at it under a scope, I generally start the final phase when I see that the majority of the trichomes are milky. You can actually see the change in bud color when they reach that point but, I always check anyway. It’s pretty common for me to have a few lower leaves die and drop off throughout flowering but, I never get to a point where there’s any big die off.
For the second question, no, using water from a different source wouldn’t stress your plants like that.
And finally, yes, that has got to be the problem. If you’ve got lights coming on at odd hours, (especially during lights out), then that would definitely cause problems. They’re getting light stressed. That’s probably been the issue for a while from what you’ve been saying. It shouldn’t take going to the extremes that you have to get rid of a little pollen, in my opinion. Yes, you may have to diligently clean your area but, you’ve gone way beyond that. I’d say that you should clean up your grow room well, without going to extremes, get your power on/off straightened out, and go for it again. You get that light issue straightened out and I think you’ll start having much better luck.
The woman in your garden store is right, to a certain extent. The way feminized seeds are created does make them more susceptible to hermaphroditism than regular seeds but, for as long as I’ve been growing I’ve used nothing but feminized seeds so far and I’ve never had an issue. I did have that one turn on me but, I know that it was my own fault, I light stressed it just like you’ve done. Luckily what I was doing only exposed that one to the light and not the others or I would’ve screwed up my whole crop.
A little amendment to my earlier posts, I’ve found four seeds so far out of this new crop. Since they came from a Cataract Kush and the pollen came from a stress-turned Cataract I’m hoping they’ll be good feminized seeds. When the time comes I’ll run one as a test. I already did a test run on a seed that came from the hermied plant although I was already quite sure what the result would be, and I was right, full-blown hermie. I figured it was worth a try, if nothing else, just to see it for myself. I’ve got four or five seeds that came from a 8-Ball Kush that was lightly pollenated by that Cataract in the same crop that I’m going to try at some point also. My middle son is actually growing a couple of those outdoors right now and he says they’re looking good so far. If they do come out alright I’m calling it Cat Balls Kush. ?
Good luck SteveO, I think you’ve got your problem dialed in now. It would be great if you joined Firestax so you could post some pics. If you get over there you’ll see that I keep a pretty small grow, it’s all I can handle with my disability, but what I do grow, I try to give them hell. Dani actually got me over there and I’m glad he did, haven’t been there long but, great bunch of people.
Hi Papa Indica , and Dan Alchimia,,SteveO here…I am still stumped on this one issue. I am having a seed issue again. went in and searched thru every nch of the plants the best I could to find any male flowers on plants , as to locate to hermi pollen crating plant problem to try and prevent the rest of the plants in the room from being hit. wel I found I think two maybe three that had maleflowers. , I pulled them out , and got r >
Papa Indica August 24, 2015
I’m gonna try this again, last time I tried to reply the blog wouldn’t let me. Sorry to hear that you’re still having bad luck SteveO, let’s see if I can help.
Anyone knowledgeable about marijuana is going to tell you that the pollen comes ONLY from the male flowers, and the ONLY thing that can CREATE seeds is that pollen landing on a female. It sounds to me like you had already pollenated your grow before you pulled those out, and you shouldn’t have put anything else in there until it was all cleaned up again. Once that pollen is released into your environment it’s going to be all over your plants, any fans in there will help see to that. When you move a new plant into that environment it’s pretty easy for it to pick up some pollen, even without moving anything around, but once you start handling those plants that already have pollen sitting on them you stir it up into the air again and then you’ve got pollen on the new ones too. You need to get everything out of there, (I’d recommend finishing what you have, without putting anything new in your flower room), then give that area another cleaning. You don’t need to go to the extremes of pulling flooring or anything, just a good, thorough cleaning. As long as you have your lighting issues fixed so that you won’t be stressing them into changing you should be good to go again after that.
Best of luck SteveO!
Thanks Papa Indica, that’s what I figured . will do . thanks for helping me out once again.
A friend gave the a Sour Diesel clone plant. She has been grown outside in a 15 gallon pot and is doing well, full of nice buds which are covered in trichones which are starting to change color. Now I am noticing seeds forming here and there and my question is since this was a clone, will the seeds be feminized? Thanks!
Hi Harvest Queen,
Notice that you might have a clone of a hermie plant! You should carefully look for male flowers in your buds. If you find some of them, then those seeds probably come from these flowers. If you don’t find any male flowers, than those seeds must come from a male or hermaphrodite plant near your plants, so there is no way to know if those seeds will be feminized.
Hello Harvest Queen,
As Dani said, your plant may be hermaphrodite and seeded itself. If you can’t find any sign of male flowers anywhere on the plant then there’s a chance that the seeds are good. The male flowers can potentially be right inside of the buds. Being a clone has nothing to do with whether or not the seeds are feminized, it’s about what pollenated it. If your plant is not hermied then the only thing you can do to know what you have is to run a test seed and see what you get. You may get a hermie, you may get a female but, even getting a female doesn’t necessarily mean that you have feminized seeds, they may be regular seeds and you get lucky with the draw. Feminized or regular, the important thing is not to have hermaphrodite plants in your grow.
Best of luck!
Yo whats up guys. Hey Papa Indica,, how it goin Dani. Man this is crazy ,,you guys know my story. Well I ended up after all you guys know taking out the carpet and putting in tile to eliminate possible built up pollen etc in the carpet, and painted, also came out of the bedrooms with tile and paint,, I then went and continued using the Bonza seeds ( same strains) all feminized seeds, and had a run where I had ZERO SEEDS,, GREAT RIGHT? Yep That is great , cause it tells me that I CAN grow these strains successfully with a quality atmosphere. so … that run I wasn’t completely happy due to my overfeeding and lack of flushing,so I at least now knew that I could actually use these strains and that what it told me was. was that I am carrying on using feminized seeds that do carry the hermi gene, so one has to be careful not to have any issues to trigger them into hermism. So I was god with that until now I changed the room around after that good round and knew that with my luck something would happen. well it must have stirred up something, I don’t know . now what I have is several plants about thirty flowering ,different strains in flood and drain tables along a bedroom wall with 4 600 watt lights in line . I also have two can filters ,one blowing in filtered air in the room, another standing up straight pointed at ceiling like I think you have Papa, to filter room air and create movement of air…also have air conditioner to control temperature for night and day so temp never fluctuates more than a few degrees , my humidity is around 35 to 40 percent nice and low for flowering no more spraying with room temp consistent at 75-76 degrees, then when lights go off (they’ve been working properly now) I set the air conditioner to 74 degrees ,so you see my atmosphere seems flawless, I wish someone had an answer for me, cause remember Papa how just lately I said I caught a timer malfunctioning? I fixed that and have new plants in there now and I have found that a huge 2 ft x 3 ft diameter big blueberry was in second week flowering,, had good pistol formations starting but found at the internode under the bud was a few beginning seeds forming. so I went through thoroughly and plucked them off while most of the other plants , since I fixed the timer are pretty much new in there, well now I find a sour diesel had a male flower that seemed to have opened, and got rid of it . my issue isthat now that blueberry is absolutely wicked badass…. absolutely loaded with buds and quality pistol formation now in the third fourth week, you know the one that stared out with some seeds,, well now the blueberry went and took off like arocket while all the rest of most of the plants that are now starting to show pistols ALL ARE SHOWING LITTLE PINHEADED SEEDLIKE PODS where two pistols are popping out of,and if I pluck one off and pry it open , I find a beginning seeds thet is the size of a head of a pin. extremely small,,now im finding that most of the plants are displaying this, Basically , you know where you normally see on both sides of the stem at the internode two pistols po out on botgh sides,well on these ones that are not right what they are displaying is ,yes I get the pistols one one side and the other side ,youll see the little pod with two pistols popping out with a tiny microscopic size seed forming. now ive found that some of the plants seem to be moving towards the female direction even with these one them while others seem to be shutting down, pistols curl up and pistols just stop growing and you can tell the plant has been affected and doesn’t make any more bud and moves toward turning male,those I pull out, but whats going on here? Do you guys think my genetics are just weak ass genetics or what. Ive ordered some killer regular seeds which I will properly sex , as to elimate the hermi gene, maybe this will be the way to go , I bought these seeds almost one year ago and I have yet to have actual good quality results. You know what is really driving me crazy is that Bonza has a stellar reputation, and when I first got he seeds grew them , they were gorgeous and then I set them into flower , and I can tell you that every single starins flowered profusely , like unreal quality until I foolishly set them off towards hermaphroditism with the light leaks I hadn’t been paying attention to. God if I could only go back to when I first got these seeds , I would have made sure to not have light leaks. Ever since that happened I have not been able to get a grip on this pollen problem.Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Anyone have a clue what my plants are doing?
hey steve o
we both seem to be having seed problems right now, hopefully I can shed some light onto your problem.
I have no idea where I went wrong with my crop.. wait yeah I do, but now ive just realized that I caused this problem.
some definite problems I had was 1. light leaks from mesh flaps and the red and green light from timer 2.relativley high heat and high humidity due to growing in basement 3.growing bag seed outside that all popped up with pistils but now may have seeds because im not in the right time zone to be growing outdoors.(or they are genetically hermie) haven’t noticed any sacs on these plants but since 2 of my indoor fems just turned out to be male im expecting the worse 4. which im most worried about which is I fucked up the lighting schedule a couple times back in the veg stage. we had a timer but I never used a timer before and this other guy didn’t know how to use it so we were using the timer for only the light sockets for awhile. so the extra dark and extra light they got on separate days may have been what caused the genetic mutation
the ONLY sign of a pollen sac throughout this whole grow was spotted by this dumb ass Ireland bilingual guy im growing with. he thought he saw a sac on an autoflower one day so he ripped it off and like the dumb asss he is didn’t think to show me to put me, the grower at ease. till this day im still not convinced he found a sac because I never spotted any and im the one there inspecting everyday.
nonetheless I chopped that plant down, but I was completely unsure if the sac was there, never mind thinking about if the sac had opened which he didn’t know for sure either.
anyways I was content with everything after I rid that auto. come a couple weeks later for a diff auto that was sitting next to the “hermied” auto, as it started drying out I started noticing little brownish black specs inside the calyxs. these things looked like fully developed seeds but they are literally smaller than a grain of salt, literally. so im not sure if these are acutally seeds from getting pollinated.. someone mentioned it could be from letting the plant go too long?
anyways that brings me to one of my sativas showing male preflowers while in veg, I mean these “ball on a stick” things were as plain as day on my vegging plant. I never heard of preflower in veg and there wasn’t a whole lot on it so I decided to roll the dice and keep growing the plant even though the preflowers looked just like balls on sticks, im not experienced enough to know on the spot which is which so that’s why I decided to keep it until I threw it into flower cause it was my biggest crop and I wasn’t sure if preflowers in veg gave a different look than in flower and what not. so with that said I left it growing(keeping a semi close eyes on these balls to see if they bunched up, like I know the males to look) and now im not sure if this is what opened up and pollinated my grow PREFLOWERS IN VEG. either way I guess I have a better idea of what caused mine than yours. just think of everything you give these plants. a thing I would say to do is try giving them LESS ATTENTION. you could be hounding your plants like I do sometimes a maybe you could be stressing them along the way. either way this is one of the best forum discussions ive seen so let me know whats up steve o and papa indica
just an update, so I had 2 plants in flower after these 2 autos. the biggest plant in flower that was mislabeled so >
weedops September 9, 2015
another thing I forgot to mention is the first plant I had to male was a mystery strain so it could’ve been bag seed… the other plant that maled was a sativa and sativas are much easier to hermie from stress. the dream machine is mostly indica and indicas are roughhouses which may explain why that one was able to withstand my fuck ups throughout the grow. im gonna keep everyone updated. I hope everything gets better for you steve o. if you were around MA id smoke you up for not giving in. but trust me youll still be making more money than losing if you keep growing. just try different things. don’t expect the pollen to dissipate and die off if that’s what is causing this
and another thing I might be doing wrong is underwatering. Im either watering perfectly or just slightly underwatering which may be causing this maybe you are too? im gonna try watering them when the are a little bit heavier than I would before and see if that helps
O.k. Guys I think I may have been looking a little too far into my situation. seems everything looks good,all plants are flowering nicely. I know ive drove you a bit nuts ,so I appreciate the patience. I believe that one could understand how difficult the task would be to go through thirty flowering plants at every single bud site EVRY single day in order to catch that one possible opening male pollen hermi pod. I understand from experience that these little 1/8 inch diameter sized pollen sacs can develop in as short a time as a day, so one WOULD essentially have to inspect each and every single flower site if they were in this situation. I DO appreciate you guys helping me out , so thank you much. I have one simple question if its not a bother. what is the lowest optimal humidity level for flowering plants. At what level does it become too low. My flower room , due to the extreme ventilation I am processing in there to get a grip on my air , seems to be taking my humidity levels down to 25 percent. Is this too low? Thanks again.
yeah I would think 25% is too low. I don’t know the exact numbers but I know optimal humidity is between 40-60% a little more or less wouldn’t hurt but ive never heard anyone with 25% humidity. if that’s been going on the whole grow id say that is another source to your hermies. cannabis likes heat more than cold and that would also mean it likes higher humidity compared to lower. if I were you Id be trying to get that humidity up TODAY
good luck with everything steveo
in flowering 50-60% humidity. a trick im gonna be experimenting with soon is raising the humidity levels to mid 70s randomly throughout the flowering cycle for an hour or 3, so the plant thinks its raining. ive done similar stuff before and trust me this isn’t the same as misting your plants while in flower. doesn’t give a mold smell and doesn’t induce mold, but instead it actually makes the buds more plump, juicy and the trichome heads are just ready to explode with resin.
Thanks for the feedback . ill go to another blog where there are decent folks who actually want to help people, thanks for nothing Alchimia!
I’ve been in a fair for almost one week, please do not get mad bacause I didin’t reply your comment immediately.
25% is too low, you should try to raise that level to 50-60%. Your plants will develop much better and pests will find it harder to attack them. Weedops, I usually keep a humidity of 60-70% during the pre-flowering stage and gradually lower it to 50% before harvest (to avoid mold issues when plants have buds already developed).
Hey , EVERYBODY WITH HERMI PROBLEMS. DON’T GO THRU WHAT I DID……Many times in life we find people are wrapped up in their own worlds and seldom are trustworthy and half the time they give you false or misinformation. I have spent an extraordinary amount of time working to perfect my grow as I am someone who wishes to produce the finest product possible. it may take me a while longer than some to master this , though through my continuous efforts, I can assure you I will succeed . If you want the ANSWER TO ALL YOUR HERMI PROBLEMS , JUST GO ONLINE AND PURCHASE DUTCHMASTERS REVERSE ANBD MAKE SURE TO ADD SATURATOR. I went to the hydro ponic store and bought switch,and while at the store, again the customer service guy was too wrapped up in his own thoughts then to give me a completed two bottle treatment of switch and transport,, he sent me home with just the switch and after a long days workand driving forever back and forth to the store , when I got home , what do you think I did , I sprayed the switch straight, well it burned them a bit, didn’t like,just like I said , had the guy given me the proper stuff ,I would have solved this problem a long time ago. As well the point I am trying to make is it took me months of problems to finally realize , no one was actually going to give me the RIGHT answers, I had to figure it out myself. Everyone toots their horns instead of being humble. Nowehere on this page from ALCHIMIA do you hear them advise you to buy this product as GEE , THIS WOULD ACTUALLY SOLVE YOUR HERMI PROBLEMS FOR GOOD, GEE WHAT A CONCEPT! GOOD LUCK TO GOODHEARTED GROWERS. PEACE.
Hi again SteveO,
I personally believe that hermie problems are not to be solved by spraying plants with products made from unknown ingredients. From what I’ve seen and experienced, 90% of times hermie problems come from hermie genetics. Environmental factors can also make your plants to develop few bananas. But I believe that you should know the source of your problem and not try to use a “stop-gap” solution. If your problems come from the seeds you grow, you should stop having them when using other seeds. If the problem persists no matter what seeds you grow, then you have a problem in you grow (light leaks, etc.). But I don’t believe in these type of products: if I have a serious headache, I want to know its source, not take a ton of aspirins.
I’ve searched for the composition of this product and can’t find it anywhere, so I would never spray my plants with that. It’s up to you.
I was getting email notifications when there was a new comment here so I wasn’t checking it unless I got an email, apparently that stopped happening because I didn’t get anything about any of these last comments.
What you’re saying about people is exactly how you’re being now SteveO, we’ve done everything to try and help you, no, I didn’t know about some spray because I wouldn’t be using any of that kind of stuff. Now you come back and act like no one gives a shit about your problem?! I certainly don’t know everything about growing, anyone who says they do is either a liar, or just too blind to see past the end of their nose but, I certainly put every effort forth to try and help you from what knowledge I do have, which has been enough to harvest some very respectable weed time after time. I guess we thought you wanted to remedy the problem, not throw a band-aid over it, if that was the case why didn’t you search for something like that a long time ago? Why the hell would I know about it? I believe I’ve mentioned I haven’t had those issues myself.
At this point it’s sounding like a combination of terrible humidity levels and slightly low temps, (which you never bothered to mention before, how many places stay around 75-76 degrees with 25% humidity through the summer?), and using shit seeds. From there I guess you’re on your own, I don’t need to spend time trying to help people out just to get abuse for it.
Hey Papa Indica and Dani Alchimia, SteveO here. I apologize for my psychotic episode . I have relentlessly continued to grow these strains I received from Bonza seeds which are a list of seeds supposedly from reputable breeders such as Dna Genetics, Delicious Seeds etc. Well I think you guys are right about this whole thing. Dani. you hit it right on the nail on the head, when you mentioned to me to try someone else’s seeds and if the problem continues than I would know the problem is in my house, if I solve the problem then that will prove that the seeds I got from Bonza were in fact hermi genetic prone seeds. I want to say I am vey thankful that you guys DID take your time to help me out, I truly am appreciative, You must realize I bought these seeds right at one year ago this October, and since then have yet to come up with a real quality end result as well paid like almost $2,000 for them at about 15 to 20. per seed. well I have news for Bonza. Every time , I mean EVERY single time I try and flower, the crop seems to somehow get pollinated. After all the craziness I went thru putting in tile and paint, the problem still exists. I just went in the room to do some cleaning and lifted up one of the fans and underneath the fan the plastic has deep tracks well there is literally a coating , a layer of evil male pollen in a pretty good amount. I have found so far a situation where I go inspecting everything I can possibly see and I have found the little pollen making flowers digging themselves into the buds practically making it impossible to find. A person would literally have to dig thru the bud to find this happening it seems to me. I guess what I am saying is exactly that Dani. I would Like to find the culprit. Which one is actualy doing this. well I can tell you this. I do have a few strains that seem to be very resistant to becoming pollinated. One is Strawberry cough, I got thisone from a friend and he kicks ass with it. It is Soo sweet and flowers like mad in the beginning til it gets jacked up by the enemy somewhere in the room. Hee Hee. I am going to change it up and switch rooms, at the same time I am going to keep a high intake air flow going to the old room all the while giving the new room good fresh “can fan” filtered air. I saw a you tube video of a guy with two rooms with only a door separating them and in the one room was his pollinating room for pollinating his girls, the one on the opposite side of the door had flawless untainted , un pollinated plants with big buds ,blew me away, simply could see how he could have the pollen that close to uninfected plants, just right next door on the other sideof the door. He mentioned In the video that the way he accomplishes this is the pollination room has a lot more intake air to that room , that gets evacuated, I watched this video and for the life of me cant understand why i seem to not be able to stop this issue. I am very persistent and will continue till I’m dead in the ground. So here goes , next round I’ve taken only two strains, less plants to manage as well , and I am scrogging them so I can watch the canopy closer, instead of having to work so hard underneath. I WILL get this and just want you guys to know I am grateful for your input, I’m also going to get some different seeds. Tired of this . its got to be genetic. I’m going to make them regular seeds this time and sex them ,may take a little more time , but the genes will be much more solid. I am also going to be getting separate tents. Thanks again
Hey Weedops, I appreciate the input. Thanks I am going to isolate the strains and grow them one or two at a time to catch the instigator . All this is, is Science 101. I simply have to separate the genes , work with them one at a time and Ill figure out which one is my nightmare. I did very well in math and particularly science, so I am going to take a step back and think this thing thru. I am also changing up the rooms I the hopes of figuring this thing out. Thanks Everybody!SteveO
Hey guys, SteveO here. Also going to switch to leds. Anyone out there have any reviews on which one I should pick . ive been looking at kind led , lumitex led , and the spydr 600. Does anyone have any experience with these lights . which is the best ultimately, there are many mixed reviews ,making it tough for me to decide. this will solve my high electric, my heat issues, also it will help me take a lot more control of my air instead of using massive suction and filters to tyr and filter the air so much that , that is what was most likely driving my humidity down , ,that compiled with four window air conditioners. Im starting to think the pollen is coming out of the ac or maybe my inline fans. somehow , one way or another , the pollen is coming from somewhere, I just have to find out where. So if I get leds and I wipe out my 500-600 dollar a month power bill, and then I don’t have to vent tons of heat , and if I buy tents , through all of this , and separating the strains and growing and flowering them one at a time, ill figure out where its all coming from. Then Ill be broke. But Ill have my meds. ?
What really gets to me is that I can remember like it was yesterday when I got these seeds. I went , grew them , they looked badass all thick and full and lush and pure female looking plants, then I went to flower , all looked absolutely incredible, evry plant was blasting buds and pistols . I was growing them in drip buckets , so they were nice and mature, in flower they al got to be about 3 ft or so nice and thick with buds, and then I started to see problems . about five weeks into flower , the plants just couldn’t take the light leaks anymore, and they started making seeds. well I had never had this problem before .. I grew at the other house and had no problem.. Ive been a tile and stone mason for going on thirty years now , so my back is in shambles. I come home every day feeling like an nfl football player after a intense game of being beaten. so thru my battles, and all im trying to do is grow my own frikkin meds. im not trying to get rich , or to become a drug dealer. just want to be successful growing my own frikkin meds.I had no trouble when I was under the radar, now that I’m doing everything completely legal its a frikkin nightmare. So , like I said I was good at growing at the other house . no problems. but I only had one strain that was given to me. so I knew I had a good plant. And it was in a basement which is easier to blackout. The problem I had in the new house with the new seeds is that for the five weeks that THOSE seeds grew and flowered , I had been allowing light to leak in from multiple places, like all over the fikkin place, so I freaked out and immediately went into action , sealing everything up, constantly throwing away tainted plants as fast as I could produce them, due to them going hermi. I was killing them, and still am as fast as they get tainted. Until I find the culprit , I will continue to rid the bad ones. I found one plant as weird as it seems ,” Delicious seeds critical super silver haze, that , every time grow long armlong buds and now im in there rubbing my hands up and down the bud and I cant see any seeds, or and male flowers ,buds smell nice, but the bud is literally coated with dust, and i’m sure its not dust from being dirty, it pollen dust, so you tell me how that’s possible, no seeds, no male floweres on it , smells good , seems to be nice long bud , but dry and powdery with what I believe to be pollen dust. For the first five weeks of flowering, they were the best flowering plants I had ever had, so I am having a hard time believing its the seeds, cause I can tell you that I know for a fact that if I was to order a bunch more feminized seeds from bonza and grew them , then flowered them , the result would be the same until the pollen gets ahold of them. I just cant seem to figure out WHERE its originating from. for all I know some asshole is next door making fcking seeds for a living. gee maybe I should go into seed making, id be much more successful. So once I stared realizing I had an issue I went online and started actually learning how to do all of this, only to end up having the worst luck the whole time. All I’m saying is that all I can remember is that these plants , these, strains , initially came up and were the most incredible plants I had ever grown until I -realized from educating myself on the computer that light leaks will cause your good female flowering plants to hermaphrodite into hermis. Well obviously I was too late to learn ,cause for the past , now one full year, I have yet to eradicate this pollen development in my house.
what about Silver Collodium, you know the stuff they SPRAY their plants with to make feminized seeds. why wouldn’t there be or, couldn’t there be a chemical that would suppress the hermaphrodite gene. According to what I have heard people say abou the product reverse is that is works well . I now have this product and will be sraying it exactly on the seventh day and then 10 days later. I will follow thru with the results. Should be very interesting to see if it does. My garden I swear to god is just like the tv series , the strain. remember just lately there was one of their shows where all the mutants are running straight past this one dude whos just simply not being affected. I DO have a couple strains that seem to be just like that one dude. I mean Im sitting here after having wiped out the 30 plants that chainreacted and became pollinated, and finally get to the one that’s been siiting in front of the inline fans intake air , as well being swished around by the two oscillating fans , that are clearly blowing pollen everywhere In the room , all the while sits “Greenhouse Seeds”Super Silver Haze, not to be confused with my Delicious seeds strain critical ssh. Either way , honestly it seems that both of these plants are quite resistant to the havoc that’s taking place around them. I find it absolutely unbelievable that , that plant could sit in that room with that many plants being affected and it just sits there completely untainted. Too bad its not one of my favorites. So far after having purchased some 60 odd strains , I now DO have a handful of them that appear to be strong and ones that I will try to work with, they are delicious seeds Cotton Candy, this starin is super sweet, killer strain, not sure yet but reserve prevada’s sour diesel, Delicious Seeds Critical ssh, Strawberry Cough, Reserva Prevada OG-18, this one is badass, total stinky and resinous, time will tell. Wish me luck Going to give it another whirl here pretty soon in new room without so much air movement and more controlled. Also going to tyr the Product reverse, so I will let everyone know how it goes. I will tell you that if you look back at a few of my posts I posted a little while back , you’ll see that I DID manage to , after I changed carpet for tile and new paint , I DID have a round without ANY Seeds from those exact same starins. And I mean NO SEEDS So Im the idiot, just a tileman, anyone out therewith a agricultural degree, maybe you can give me some idea as to what or how to resolve this pollen problem I’m experiencing. I have retiled , repainted, redone, overdone, undersone, bought this equipment , bought that equipment, tried this , tried that, filtered air , blew in more air , co2d the air , kept a gorgeous atmosphere./
cont- you tell me My house is this little tiny dinky home I rent with bedrooms so small I would use them to raise my pet. ridiculous , who sleeps in a room this small. What did the builder do build a house for the Ringling Brothers Circus. like the clowns that come out of the car. I swear the rooms are lucky to be 8×8. Can’t wait to move to a house that actually has some room to work. I believe this is one of my biggest problems is I am literally completely cramped up in this little box thinking I’m gona get rid of the pollen. I believe the amount of pollen that has developed in this home is so much so that it sits in every crack and crany. so i’m at a loss. I can only clean the friggen this that is this small so many times before I literally rip my hair out. Do you folks out there think tents might help me gain some control over this crap. I swear now that I pretty much cleared the room of plant , there is like al layer of pollen everywhere in here, what a joke. to come so close to fixing this shit and now all over again. You know its insane cause I DID have a run with these strains with NOT one seed. Just after I painted and put the tile in . What a Joke! Ridiculous! Oh yeah did I tell you that also in the past year I had a homeless guy that literally jumped out in front of my turning truck , and when I had absolutely no time to move out of the way I struck him . I don’t drink , I wasn’t high or on drugs, in fact I was just slowly turning the corner when all the sudden bam there he is about a foot and ahalf in front of my truck. He then ran home immediately after the accident , called my insurance company to file full claim. So It hasn’t been the greatest year form me . All I want is to grow my own meds instead of buying the garbage they sell in the stores. You know , even through all the crap I go thru to do this , I will never kneel to the despensaries , they can sck m,,d. They’re bud is complete crap. Its as if they get a good strain and simply don’t feed it anything but water. Until I figure this all out I will just keep going, Never quit Period. Even The stuff I create is better than the crap they put out so I guess that’s what really matters,.
Glad to see you are back dude!
From what you tell, I’m really starting to think that you do have a neighbour producing seeds or something similar. First think I would do: completely clean the room a couple of times and seal it (just how you seal a chamber for using co2). After that, I would line all intake/outtake holes with HEPA filters, as well as the outlet holes of the extraction/intraction fans. Notice that HEPA filters are relatively dense, so the airflow capacity of your fans will be lower with those filters. Make sure to keep the negative pressure in your room so you have no smell leaks. If I could, perhaps I would set up a “room” from which the air would come into the growing room; the air of that other “room” would be purified and filtered before coming into the grow room, it would not come directly from the outside, but purified and filtered before. Basically, the idea would be making sure that, if my room has pollen, then it comes from the inside and not from the outside. A silly question: you say you can actually see a layer of pollen inside your grow room…can you see pollen outside this room? In any other rooms of the house?
About grow tents: they are very practical if you want to grow some plants and flower others in the same room, also for flowering strains with different photoperiods, and even for making seeds with different males. Always use HEPA filters in every hole. The bad thing about grow tents: environmental control is a bit more difficult, there is more heat to be removed and fluctuations in humidity levels are more pronounced.
About LEDs: While much more expensive than HPS lamps, they truly save money with every power bill. Lately I’ve tried a 600W LED system in a 1,2×1,2m space (about 3×3 feet). All buds from the central area developed perfectly, but all side buds and lower buds developed poorly. I think that using some sort of LED strips or enlongated systems would work better to have a more uniform distribution of light, even putting lights in the walls so all side parts of the plants have enough light to produce decent buds. While I think LED’s are the future, I still haven’t seen the same exact results than those seen with HPS systems. As I told you, I was in a fair a couple of weeks ago and many new LED systems had enlongated designs to cover more surface area, what I think is a very good idea. We’ll see how they work…
Oh yeah , since i’m on a roll. after so much studying, and reading , and reading, It is a fact that some of the worlds biggest and baddest growers go through extensive efforts to bring their humidity below 40 percent during the final weeks of flowering to trigger the marijuana plant to excrete more resin. So when I saw my humidity was getting down to 35 , 30, even 25 percent , yeah I thought it was a bit too dry but , if you know me I would mist them now and then to keep them with some moisture. The funny thing is , is that I being a person who grew up in Florida knows exactly what it takes to create the most perfect tropical environment, not to mention I worked on four country clubs,maintaining the golfcourse grass and planters for years when I was younger , so I have quite a green thumb. and like to think I am at least a little educated even though I don’t always check my spelling and punctuation. ,so after it all I think I’m gona head out for now. I am grateful for this blog. At least I got you guys to help me out now and then. Thanks once again ,SteveO
Thanks for the input Dani. The Led Lights I am purchasing are the Neosol NS 300. will be the first one I get. It has the light bars as you describe with Extraordinary high par. The same company makes one a little larger which I am getting a special deal to buy two . those are 2×4 ft the ns are 18in by 36 in but also has the Surexi Leds. These leds were tested and are used in every day growing for Colorado’s patients. After reviewing and reviewing these as well other lights , I found these to have the top rating besides knid leds which are literally baddass, totally programmable to the spectrums of the yearlong suns seasons. It allows a person at the touch of one button to control ll the lights hung at once, as well with the push of one button , they will get set off in a 8 week cycle of perfect lighting for medicinal marijuana plants needs…unreal right, well after it all I went with Illumitex. This company has built scyscrappers to grow food and vegies , as well medicine that is made for the medicinal world we live in , this review is amzing. so I went with them. Anyways. My air is set up with a bedroom , “first sealed, initially with duct tape in every corner, every lineal , da da da , and then the lights are pulling air thru them thru a can fan filter that leads out of the room thru multiple layers of plastic lining out to the opposing side of the entry. so to enter you got to the doorway unzip first zipper , step into 2×2 sealed area with 3 tubes 4 inch ducting bent over in u shape to ground to bring in air thru that which has two “shroom Hepa filters bringing in pulled air from air conditioner in room that also vent outside. So the air going into the bedroom is completely filtered so it may seem, until you go to enter, then it gets breeched. Pain in the ass. well After it all I think my genes ARE good. How would it have been possible for me to have had a flawless, SEEDLESS run two runs ago, but didn get flushed well so turned into has. well that kinda says to me that me genes are good, they may not come from reg seeds but for the most part if the atmosphere is good and it receives good clean filtered air, I truly believe in these seeds. I saw their first performance when I got them initially and I will tell you that the flowers were unreal til they couldn’t take the light leaking in anymore, then it all started. So its confusing to me. Here I am surrounded by a lot of trees and it extremely dry. I notice about this time of the year a lot of yellow polen on the cars from theses trees. I know this is immposible to affect ,my plants,not sure what to think now really. I just fugures I would go with getting some small grow tents and try to control the intake air better somehow. I really cant see how I could have had that good seedless run unless these seeds were legit. I haven’t read ANY bad reviews on Bonza. I guess we can only do our best and keep on truckin. Ill figure this whole thing out one way or another.I cant tell you how valuable it is to me to at least have some guys to help me now and then . so thanks Dani, Weed-ops, and not to mention Papa Indica for his great input, thanks, SteveO , gota go slay some stone today!
Yeah man, this type of leds is what I was talking about! Do not forget to tell us if they’re worth it!
Perhaps trying with small grow tents will help, since you are going to use leds then heat won’t be a problem.
About feminised seeds: a lot of crap has been said about these seeds, but they basically work as regular ones: if you used parents with hermie traits, then their offspring is going to show these traits too. As usual, it is all about choosing the right parents. Anyway: may I ask what strains are you growing? You always use seeds, or are you growing clones from those seeds now? Man I’m starting to take it as something personal, I really want you to grow sinsemilla again… ?
Raising the humidity of the room around the pollination weeks will help reduce pollination. Water makes pollen inert. I recently had a crop go Hermie polinated the plants leaving me with around a handful of seeds of a few plants. I washed with room down with a 5% bleach\water solution and on the next run I also took the precation of raising the humidity around weeks 3 (just for food measure) and I this time round I had 1 Hermie on me again (more than likley my fault) removed the male flowes and sure enough the bud was seedless this time round? (I was worried as my previous run basicly plstered the walls in pollen – last ones was female seeds lemon kush apparently a landrace that has a tendency to Hermie) my point is even tho it happened badly once and after cleaning and having a minor issue with one throwing male flowers out this run I still managed to crop seedless so the environment must have been clean from my less than thorough wash down. Also polen life span unless stored correctly isn’t very long so I would have thought by the time you vegged out any pollen remaining from precious Hermie’s would be minimal. Hope that helps
Thanks for your comment, any help is appreciated!
From my own experience, many landrace strains do not react well to indoor grow rooms. They are strains used to grow outdoors, and once you put them under artificial lights it is not strange if they start developing male flowers. Indoor grows are very stressing for them unless they have been adapted to it through several generations. So, my first advice if you don’t want to have problems with hermie plants indoors is: always grow strains adapted to indoor grows!
I’m breeding a Libanese line for the past years and every time I try them indoors they develop male flowers. Not a single banana when grown outdoors…
High guys! I wish I still got notifications on this topic. SteveO, I apologize for getting a little unruly myself, it doesn’t solve anything. I’m really at as much of a loss on this as you at this point, as far as figuring out what’s happening there, you have a pretty crazy situation going. I know some of those breeders you mentioned make good seeds, so I don’t think that is an issue, certainly not to this extent. It sounds like you’ve got full quarantine procedures going there and still having this trouble. If it’s not getting pumped in from an outside source, by some outrageous coincidence, then I would think that you have got to be creating some stress to them with either atmosphere/environment or something that you’re feeding them, and causing some of them to turn and start producing male flowers and that’s where your pollen is coming from. Perhaps you are getting some of that tree pollen in there, along with the pollen from your herms it would make things look even worse. I hope you can get it dialed in bro, just keep trying to figure out what the culprit is, you’ll narrow it down eventually.
What’s up Papa Indica and Dani. SteveO reporting back with much better news. I have been doing extensive research learning about the different led company’s out there and which one would give me literally the best QUALITY light with quality and power being my main interest. the light will have to have good power as well as intensity and extraordinary quality of light spectrum before I will put out a grand or more for a light that will be a couple hundred in a year or so. So after reviewing an unreal amount of different company’s . I checked everything from lumens to spectrum to light bulb power and intensity, to the amount of technology the company actually has working for them and how much effort do they put into producing the world finest full spectrum led light fixture. I reviewed so many, such as
1. kind led, thought theirs was probably one of the very best although when I watched the programming video it was like listening to someone talk Japanese to me. so that wouldn’t work I needed plug and play.
3. Advanced led
4. Platinum led
5. king led
9. Black dog
After looking as close as I could at these company’s, their pricing etc. I chose illumitex for my first panel led . I got the ns which is supposed to be an equal to a 600 watt hps. .. After that I also went ahead and ordered two grow tents both 4x8x7 and they rock. I now will isolate each strain in each tent on it’s own when they flower. as well I created a situation as follows. Coming to the front door of 10×10 bedroom , the first zipper entry you pass thru it . it is a plastic sheeted wall with two Shroom heap filters allowing air to come into room. now as I unzip and air is continuously being pulled in there, you go thru that first plastic liner with the zipper and now your standing in a 3×3 cordoned off cubical that your now standing in that has another zipper as well to go through . this is created with plastic sheeting as well that is completely sealed with duct tape around perimeter . so then you , zip behind you of course, now the air you standing in there with is consistently now being filtered as you stand there, well now you pass through the next one and this one has the same situation with ducting draped in u formation for air to pass through being filtered as well . so now as you go through that one , now your standing in the controlled air supply zone that has an air conditioner for temp control, and fresh air. Right now your in the bedroom where I have a 4×8 tent with two 4×8 t5 8tubers at both end with the list of leds in the center , a Gs8 led 420 watter , a ufo I just got for reds and deep reds, and the18inch x 3 ft long new state of the art created illumitexNs 300. Man I will not bs you guys , not one iota . The illumitex;s light when I first got It.I had my doubts when I plugged it in and saw that it just simply was nowhere near as bright as the 600 watt illumitex digital hps vented light that I set up literally right side by side to the other and began to flower in a 5×5 grow plywood framed GROW BOX that I crafted. I just got so exited waiting for the tents to arrive . I threw this box together. Well keep in mind I am a custom tile and stone mason for 27 years. there is nothing I cannot craft and build. So it came out pretty killer. So , so far now I have about 10 of those problematic Reserva Prevada’s sour diesel in the 5×5. and I had these lights in there together at first and made a little change . But for the about two weeks I had them in the grow box running together , I clearly started to see an absolute difference at what was going on, on each side. Now I know they ARE sharing light but that scientifically should’nt change the visual effects that should become apparent after a bit of time. Well after all of this I am now going to give you the nity grity. The illumitex light ‘s light produced plants on it’s side that over the trwo weeks became so dark green and oily that it became extremely clear to me that this light was absolutely unbelieveable. Then with that and after going to you tube and looking at everybody that I could find evaluating leds and then it was just obvious that if you have a good led company’s lights , you surely should destroy the hps’s quality. cant speak yet for production, but it seems to me that if the light your plants are receiving is light from a spectrum that allows the plants to literally USE all of the light , unlike a lot of the light that hps puts out then, that light will be the outperformer. I am amazed at how lush and green and like I said , the stems are just coated with oil form the plant excreting it. this is the result of the illumitex’s light spectrum of the plants, Absolutely incredible. On the Hps side , yeah there is great bud formation as to be expected, but the green in the plant is lightening up in a big way ad not becoming dark green ,oily and lush like the plants that are directly under the illumitex. Now I am only stating the facts. that cannot be disputed. I have although just lately found that after a lot of checking, that Mars two is probably going to be my next one, just to see the difference, This light offers a light spectrum that is complete, form Uv to Ir and deep reds and ,like I said just watch the vids of others who have used the mars. they seems to rock , just like the Black dogs.. But run a lot cheaper. We will see. If you want to see something that will without a doubt, blow your mind, go to you tube and type up illumitex, then go to the second page where you will find a video of illumitex’s manufacturing process. You watch that and then you tell me what you think . Its; like Alien Robotics of another planet. How do humans do this sh–. I am simply amazed. I found that watching these you tube videos on led’s , that I noticed a difference. Yeah you see a lot of killer hps vids with great buds etc, but if you watch closely enough , what you will start to recognize is that the leds are making hash tips. I mean fikkin not plant material , just simply stacked trichomes. That’s where I’m headed. I expect this will be the result of the 4×8 tent I have going with Strawberry Cough, Holy Grail Kush , Kong Diesel, Blueberry, and Skunk #1. I know I mixed this one a little, but the majority of the try is Strawberry Cough, which has been a great resin producer so far. The seed issue is being worked out I believe. So far , things look fine, not seeing seeds or the signs yet. Cross your fingers on the sour d. it has been incredibly resinous when it flowers , it sour d, and that’s why I keep giving it a chance. I have a new sour diesel strain that I will be switching to , due to just the fact that this one seems to have had issues in the past. I did however order the expensive product called Dutch master’s Reverse and also ordered the saturating agent to mix with it. you mix these two and spay immediately as it is supposed to chemically suppress the hermi gene in the plant. I only went with giving this try due to the good reviews it has on its track record. So far it seems like the plants are ok in there but Its a little too early to know for sure . It is good to hear from you guys. My wife and I are very private people and don’t keep too many friends , so it’s refreshing to have you guys to shoot the breeze with on this awesome , intricate hobby we’ve taken up. Thanks for your time and input, it is very much appreciated , Thanks Pap Indica and Dani Alchimia.
Good to see you here dude! I’m happy everything goes better know, from what I read it seems like you’ve really been working on a very professional setup. Great! I will definitely take a look at those LED systems, we are always trying to improve the quality of the products we offer, and your reviews and help is much appreciated.
When speaking to growers who use or have used LED lights, they always have the same complaint: yields. They say they work great for growth, but yields (especially due to bad light dispersion) are usually lower than with HPS lamps. Still, I think all these guys here are using old systems, nothing to do with the ones I see at Illumitex website, especially regarding the shape and the quality of the LEDs.
Few days ago a workmate from Alchimia made this absolutely amazing live resin from Reserva Privada’s Sour Diesel, the smell is just incredible…
All the best, our regards to your wife! ?
p.s. do not forget to tell us about Dutch Master’s Reverse when you try it!
Yeah , good talking to you as well my man. So You read my stuff and you now know I’ve taken control of my frikkin air now to the point where the seeds can’t BS me anymore. I love Sour Diesel so much so I seemed to refuse to simply accept that I just must have gotten a bad seed and went with that one plant for clones and through all this time just wouldn’t accept it was truly a genetic situation. Now I understand this could be just this one seed that is just a morphodite so it will start out for a week or two making great flowers and then booom….if you dig through and pry the growing buds back , there you will find the enemy. I have in the flowering bedroom two gardens flowering . The one is the problematic Reserva Prevada’s Sour D unfortunately, and I did this , the other is a 4×8 tent , mostly closed, here I have a complete combo of lighting for my Strawberry Cough that I got from a buddy that I know has stable genes. In this tent I have two 8 tube t5s at both ends angled in then I have the illumitexNs300 in the center longways…then I have a UFO, with reds and deep reds , and then I have a Global Star 120 Equivalent to 420 watthps whatever,, this has the tent nicely well lit with quite a bit of a variety of lighting so as to insure I am getting these plants all the intensity and spectrums they could possibly ask for . Just the two Envirogrow 8 tube t5s are a combined 80thuosand lumens not adding the others , in just a 4×8 tent mostly enclosed as so all the light is trpped in there. ITs not that I am stating that all of Reserva Prevada’s Sour D fem seeds are this way . I love Reserva Prevada. I have a few other of theirs like the OG-18 Wheeppphhheeewwww its powerfully strog smellin…just like I like I can smell the plant and just know by the odor it is legitimately the real OG-18 so I gotta figure it was just this one fluke seed. In the way I have designed the new bedroom , I created a massive vacuum of air being pulled in the control tent where I will take each seed of each strain and flower them in a set by themselves in this powerful air in taking tent. This way 24-7 the constant force of intake air being pulled into this tent and then II have a brand new Can-Fan ^in charcoal filter hooked up to the 1000 watt illumitek hps directly venting out with two powerful Can-Fans one 8inch, one 6 inch , quite a bit overdoing but , I have to keep this control until I go through each strain and see how many are hermi genetically and then I will know if the place I got my seeds either jacked me or whatever. This way I can simply find out after spending like $3k over a couple years buying their seeds . I wont mention the name right yet but we will see just how many crappy seeds I actually have here. The atmosphereic conditions are perfect temp, humidity , air exchange, I am just using simple food GH 3part, with a couple additives like floralicious plus and kool bloom liquid and big bud. so nothing to Sycho. or stressing for these plants. I used this recipe 10 years back when I had a very stable trainwreck that was a stinker, always came out perfect every time was like clockwork 1,2,3 1,2,3 every single time so I am sure this recipe works well, I cut it in half and work it up so I try and take it easy on food so , hopefully guys with ALL this… I will get it figured out. For now I just saw that in my grow box with the sour d that has been in there for just over a couple weeks started out flowering nicely , all sugar coated ,, you know nice, and like I mentioned I just found a few male pod beginning flowers starting up when I pry back the flower, absolutely ridiculous, I just have to let this one go and go the next. I now have after ordering some new strains from same place the new Connoisseur Genetics East Coast Sour Diesel which now after smellin it , it smells like the real Sour Diesel I like best. I guess we will have to see how she goes. Hey I am quite sure I am going to get quite a bit of actual successful Reserva Prevada Sour D out of this run I just know there will be some that wont be completely right . Right now I have a couple that seems to be affected where the flowers already seem to want to shut down…where the rest of the crop seems to look Not too bad, they are looking pretty nice with quite a bit of sugar coating going on , so I am pretty sure that some , probably quite a bit of it actually WILL be good. It just happens so much it can’t be kept. Who knows I just may grab some new RP SD seeds from them and give er a try again. I’ll report back soon with a new update on my seed review. Good hearing form You Dani…The Dutchmaster which I have heard good reviews on seems to have had a positive effect. I mixed it EXACTLY to the recommended ratios…timing of spraying ,when to spray ,all of it , although I just think that genetically this situation with this seed I’ve used is just too over powerful…if you don’t get absolutely all the plants covered well and soaked good enough it may not take to all of them. Like I mentioned …I’m about going on three weeks here now soon and they look good so I figure the stuff must work to a degree, that’s if you want to spend 100 bucks a run just to try and battle a bad seeds genetics. There now is simply no doubt in my mind after spending as much time as I have with this seed (plant I chose for clones (mother) that it legitimately IS genetic…no question… There is no lingering pollen now , there is no pollen being thrown around in the air with any prior-ly used equipment , and now after taking this level of control of my air to my gardens , I will find out the true answer to whether I should buy seed from the place I have been going. Talk with you guys soon. That resin looks killer,, I’m jealous. I’ll get it soon enough. I’ve been wanting to make some of that live resin …I’ve read it’s the bomb. If I find out that after processing each strain through my atmospherically controlled grow box that They sold me a bunch of heri genetic seeds… I will post it likewise…. this should isolate the situation and I should with some time be able to figure out just how many of these feminized seeds are hermi genetic prone. Its taken me quite a long time to work and figure all this out and I have no doubt gained quite an education in the past couple years.
I’m glad to read you have everything under control now, dude I’m starting to get a bit jealous, your setup must be spectacular…good for you.
About the Sour Diesel…I have the Riri cut from Reservoir Seeds SD IBL, my favourite strain since I started growing it back in 2009. Stimulating, uplifting…it puts you in a good mood instantly, a priceless smoke for me. The taste and smell are incredible, very sour with strong diesel notes (some people say it also has lavender undertones). And it does develop few bananas at the latest stages of flowering, especially if you want it to be truly ripe. Fortunately, these few male flowers are not fertile, so it is just a matter of “appearance”. A shot of the SD Riri:
That’s bud? That looks crazy. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like that before .WOW. This Reserva SD in my 5×5 grow I tarted it with 100 gallon rez , put in SensiBloom Ph perfectshmerfect, and it worked in 5 gallon buckets but when I went to mix a proportionate amount of nutes and water , it would only bring the ph down to like 6.5 or 4 so I figured it was kinda like the 5 gallon buckets I mixed a little bit more in and the ph went to perfect 6.0 every time , I was amazed , well I didn’t realize it was just good base nutes and still needs additives for the right result , well I went ahead and put the big bud in and the floralicious n, and kool bloom , and after adding in more ph perfect to try and get the ph right , I realized I must be shooting thru the roof on ppm’s well I had just started to run it thru the plants and quickly caught myself only after they had gotten at the end of the second week a shot of 2200ppm nute mixture if just for a moment, I quickly reduced it back down to around 1500ppm, Didn’t want to throw too much away , anyways long story short, You should see the see the extraordinary sugar coating , ohh my god it is absolutely unreal., I just stay away and try not to finger fk them like I have done in the past. Sometimes it can simply be so hard to resist a little rub and smell of a flower. I just noticed over the years that touching the pistols is not good for them. jacks em up. Yeah I have to tell you, I grew up in Florida n a golf course, learning how to play and actually working on the course itself cutting grass , building massive flower planters, I as a teenager worked on like five country clubs doing this work so I gained quite a green thumb to some extent. In my garden , you will not see a bug, nor will you find any leaves on any plant that doesn’t look flawless, it is just my overzealous impatience that gets me every time in the flower. I need to sow it down and take more time to really ,, well. just take my time. And I need to start timing a good flush for the plants instead of dimming down the nutes slowly. This time I’m gona let the RP SD go for right at about 6 or so weeks and then just straight water till I see the leaves change and trichs are right. Man , as I write this I can’t stop thinking of that pic of your bud. That is ridiculous. This Time in the 4×8 tent with all the led action going on I have two 2×4 trays in there, and I just lollipoped every plant all the way leaving just tops literally, just a few days ago and now being under these leds about 12 inches the flowers are clearly beginning and I think I may end up with some fist size rocks of Strawberry Cough. This plant I received installing a custom stone Master Bathroom designed by myself for the homeowner so he gave me this strain of Strawberry Cough , well he had it going and I swear , the end result was exactly that, these huge fist sized buds , solid and dense, and coated with goo. I just had to have it . well this time , it’s my turn. I just got em in there so I’ll let you know how they end up. Tonight I took a Pineapple Funk from Holy Smoke Seeds, you should check out the pics of that bud, the buds are human size in the pics they advertise with, so I grew it in a dripper bucket and , now just made some Bho with it and the flavor is indescribably mouth watering. I had completely no idea I would get that kind of quality result fro that plant. I was floored. Man ,, ,the Flavor , wow. Well heh , Dani Alchimia , It’s getting better. On the RS Sd the buds ended up becoming incredible although , you know how females put out little bracts under the flowers a lot sometimes, and sometimes I don’t see them , well with these bracts they are swollen almost like they are gona pop seeds , and if you pop one off and smudge it open , there you will find your enemy. In these pods I am finding little tiny ,tiny pinhead new wana be beginning seeds, there are in some of these bracts little clusters of wana be seeds , they themselves don’t seem to be getting any bigger , and it seems pretty clear the direction the plants are headed( flowering as they should without seed (problems) , but , There were two , I cut out of there cause I did find a couple male flowers, the rest now have incredible sugary buds that are amazing so far. I can’t see hw looking at them and how good they look now that they would turn back at this point. So It may just be that the (Spray Ductch Master played a positive role in suppressing the hermi gene to some extent, even if it was enough to just get me thru this one crow , I’m happy. I had to say good bye to this one seed Mother RS SD and maybe order some new seed to get stable female , cause her genes are killer. Talk your ear off some more soon , take er easy, Hey Papa Where are You?
Yeah, that SD phenotype is absolutely amazing, it develops almost no leaves and the taste and effect are crazy!
Did you make some kind of test with Dutch Master? Like spraying all plants except some of them and see what happens?
By the way, I’ve checked the Pineapple Funk…impressive pictures.
Are you using the illumitex already? I’m curious on those systems…
All the best dude, speak soon!
Oh yeah, I have them going over a batch of Strawberry Cough, OG-18,Holy Grail Kush , Strawberry Diesel and the plants chlorophyll production is far beyond what you see with hps, and its not the nitrogen, this is straight up chlorophyll and the resin and how amazingly oily the stems get from the intense chlorophyll production. I normally go out and buy a $150. jar of Bud Blood to set them off, well I went frantically looking all over the house for it . couldn’t find it . had to roll with it, and amazingly enough the led illumitex does exactly what they say when they state that it accelerates the onset of flowering….It did this just like adding Bud blood, I can’t believe how fast everything is going with them under the leds. very fast….I lolli-popped all of them big-time and now the monster heads are forming already. Should make some fist sized Strawberry Cough Nugs. I’ll bet that I also end up with hash tips . I just got a feeling seeing the amount of chlorophyll being produced. HeeeHeeeHee, Talk to Ya soon Brother,,
Thanks for the report dude, I’ve been a bit sceptical about LEDs for years, especially for flowering, but I’ve seen really interesting systems lately and I’m getting curious now. Hope you’ll get good results with the Illumitex, it’s one of those systems that is making me think about trying in the near future.
Well guys, I hate to tell you but the product ,”Reverse” is worthless. The RP SD turned again, only this time I have them in a controlled grow bow with so much intake air ,I can’t see how it will affect the garden next to it with the Strawberry Cough. Unbelievable . I am just moving on to new plants . This one is just not going to stabilize . Wish me luck that nothing else gets hit. I’ve got some badass plants coming along. One of them is OG-13 by G-13 labs . It’s their version of OG kush, well I have trained her and trained her and now she is huge almost ready to scrog and take the place of the RPSD. Now this run should be incredible. Talk to You soon. I’ll most likely get some bud from the RPSD but most of it is drying up , shutting down from flowering and starting to become dusty. Not good. But SteveO’s not gona get had this time I’m in the drivers seat controlling all the air now..
I’m sorry to read that dude, let’s hope the Strawberry Cough is not affected!
Thanks for telling us about this product, any opinions on products are more than welcome.
All the best for your next run with the OG-13, do not forget to tell us how it goes…
So far Strawberry Cough and a few others are looking great . I can’t emphasize enough the quality and good quantity of chlorophyll production, definitely beating the HPS, just tellin it how I see it. The illumitexNS300 so far is , without question , in my mind going to outperform the 600 watt hps, and I think quite extensively. What is being said , IS actually true, the flower onset is extremely quick with the leds, and the chlorophyll , ohh , and the bulk of the flower being produced is exceeding the hps. I’m going on around third week , maybe a touch more and the plant variety I have in a 4×8 grow tent are DNA Holy Grail Kush, Reserva Prevada OG-18 (one of my absolute favorites, Skunk #1, Strawberry Diesel, Bubba Kush, Kong Diesel (This one is one very tasty gem) , its a shame no one can get the seeds anymore anywhere , same thing is happening to, strawberry diesel, and pineapple funk. I had just ordered seeds and got e three strawberry diesel seeds ,just before they stopped selling them. The breeder doesn’t have those strains anymore I am being told, but SteveO;s got each one of em thank god. I’m gona try and see if I can get them to make me some fem seeds. I’m gona research how to do it . so I can have good seeds for later. Tomorrow I’m supposed to be getting two Mars two lights . one 1200. and one 700 reflector, after seeing the good results coming from the Illumitex I would be a fool to continue using hps scam lighting. No one can tell me that the scientists of today didn’t have any of this technology years ago.
Dude, you should try to keep cuts of all those strains, you got some really interesting things there! We usually make feminized seeds with silver thiosulphate, although there are several ways to do it. Best of lucks with your project!
I’m really expecting to see if that Illumitex beats the 600W HPS, we’ll see it soon! ?
Well , Here are the results I have come up with. The illumitex has literally taken hps and put it to shame , straight up. I have never seen buds blow and become so dense until I found this light. I also went ahead and bought a few mars , one 1200 watt mars 2 , and twoother 700 watt mars 2’s , and it seems there is nothing so far that compares, although the mars haven’t had enough time yet. After breaking down the math in absolutely every possible way , from 3 watt led’s to 5 watt led’s , from rail lights to box lights, lights made by usa engineers, and lights made by Chinese(Mars ) which have been for decades the ones that most growers use cause mars lights are inexpensive , they are super bright , and use low power, I checked platinum led , advanced led, Apollo led, you name it I checked it out, and the illumitex Ns 300 only has 54 Surexi 5 watt led’s ,that’s only 245 watts of led light and it will guarantee-ably out-do a 600 watt hps in my opinion. How is it that this light does this when all the other lights all have to project at least about 500 led watts to come even with a 600hps while the illumitex does it with only 245 watts led. it does use 300 watt electric. but still that’s half the wattage of a 600hps. My 5×5 grow box I built , I took the 1000watt hps out of there and put in a 1200 watt mars two in its place , I then took a og kush in a dripper bucket, allowed the plant to stretch a bit to about a goo 2ft tall then took all the branches and bent then over and tied em up to create a plant now 6 times the size, let it veg a couple weeks and now it is about 4 ft in diameter still scrogging through the net , once I fill the 5×5 , I’ll be flowering her into the second net . I’ll bet I pull almost a pound off this one plant., You should see how lush this og kush is. The mars two 1200 only uses 275 to veg and 550 to flower , again cutting my electric in half in the grow box. Now I will have no need to run three ac units nor do I have to run ducting all over the place, as well most of the leds now a days allow you to flip a switch from veg to bloom so I never have to move or change the light in its place, ohh did I also mention , I don’t have to buy new bulbs every 9 months. ohh and the heat ponding down on the plants, no more of that stress on my plants. the perfectly designed spectral output that these lights put out is something you don’t see with hps. the hortilux super hps bulbs I use , you should look at the spectrum, its mostly yellow ,orange and green, how it is that hps grows the buds it does is beyond me considering the light spectrum they put out is all wrong for growing and flowering these plants. well I cant tell you how happy I am . I also noticed that I have found a few flowers on my bubba kush and my og-18 . I read that many strains will have a tendency to throw out a couple or a few male flowers just to try to keep itself going genetically. if this is true then it would make sense, cause most of these plants seem to flower most of the way through , and it is only 3/4 of the way through that they seem to throw off the few flowers. I can tell you that my bubba kush and og-18 are almost done flowering and the buds are so dank it is unreal. I was shocked to see the couple flowers pop up. I guess it’s no big deal , as long as it is only a couple or a few. Don’t you think.
Dude I’m drooling with the Illumitex, I’m setting up a small grow tent in which I wanted to use a 400W HPS but you are really making me think about it twice. The mere idea of not having to deal with high temperatures in the grow tent is just too tempting, especially when you say results are even better than with HPS lamps.
About the flowers, I wouldn’t worry much about them; many strains develop male flowers at later stages of bloom, Kush and Diesel lines are known for that. Most times, it is just unfertile polen, so nothing to worry about.
I’m glad you are getting good results now…
Yep, you should get rid of all your hps and get just illumitex. now that I have had the opportunity to possess a few different brands , Mars , UFO, GS120, and of course illumitex . I just recently had to try the Mars out due to price , spectral output, power usage , efficiency , led power and beam angle, which the mars combines two different beam angles one at 90 degrees and the other is like 120 I believe this means they cross and the light is being spread at different diameters, pretty wicked, after now having these mars for a couple weeks now, which the mars operate with fans to cool the lights as well as heat sinks, where the illmitex is passive , no fans period and the Mars blows out hot air as far as I am concerned out the sides . I will say the mars are quite bright , actually bright to where you simply cannot look into them, where as the illumitex you can pretty much not that we should be doing this. Just sayin that the mars in brightness seems to outshine the illumitex although the results from the illumitex are unlike anything I have seen so far for the small 4x 4 area it illuminates. It is the Ns not the Larger one the Ds. That’s the one to get, it will undoubtedly outdo a 1000 watt hps , I am very sure of this. And the chlorophyll production will blow your mind. I haven’t had my bud blood to set my flowers in the past two gardens and the illumitex seems to do another thing they claim and that is flower onset is quicker . the illlumitex has no fans and I swear Like practically NO HEAT, now that’s incredible considering the monster rocks of strawberry cough it just produced. in my 4×8 tent , the results are so obvious. I have at one end of the tent a 8 tube t5 then in the middle I put the illumitex ns 300 (600watthps comparable light), and on the other end a mars two 700 watt light all new equipment, and under the illumitex , are the monsters, and everywhere else is mediocre in comparison. straight up, I mean nothing looks anything like the plants that reside under that one light so I think that tells it all. Only thing is I have not given the new three different Mars lights I just bough a chance yet to see what they will do. I actually just got them. I got their 1200 and two 700’s the 1200 uses 552 watts of electric in my 5×5 grow box I built which I removed my 1000 watt hps which seemed to be too much anyway, and so This cut the electric in half right off the bat , but now with the Mars I can Turn Off the flower switch , which I only need while I’m scrogging is the grow part of the light anyways , and this as well reduces the amount I am used to using even more. So Right now I have the 1200 in there, . ok I admit it , I also put another one of the 700’s in there too, guilty, but like I said no matter , still using an enormous amount of less electricity form the move to leds. at least I think , Have yet to see new bill. So I have this light in there with a G-13 Labs OG13(their version of OG-kush and I took this plant and bent let it grow and stretch to almost 3 ft and beaffy and then opened her up and bent all the stems over and tied her down around the dripper bucket and turned a plant that was receiving a square ft worth of usable light and turned this plant into what is now almost 4 ft in diameter , absolutely incedible, and now I am starting to flower her into a second layered scrog, this shts gona be sick. then when they start to develop a little ,i’ll simply flick on the flower switch to hammer away at them, should be interesting to see wht these mars do on their own. Well know soon enough. Good hearing from you. If you can scrap up the extra few bucks , get the bigger one , the ds , totally baddass. If I land a dcent enough tile or stone job , I most likely will be getting the ds. Most likely wont be too long before that happens. They say that the illumitex will out perform the t5’s , now that I will have to witness. t5;s in my mind are the bomb. Talk to You soon, good hearing form you, where are You Papa Indica?
Thanks for your accurate report on these grow lights. It is a pitty that some very useful LED systems have fans on them, since many people want LEDs precisely so they don’t have to use extractors and thus reduce noise, and these small fans are noisy as hell.
*Please don’t spam me with a shitload of technical information, this is just an experiment!* I found a few seeds in a baggie a while back. I dec >
Dani Alchimia Post author December 9, 2015
Not at all, they are not always hermaphrodite. Bag seeds come – obviously – from a female plant (with or without hermaphrodite traits) and an unknow parent (with or without hermaphrodite traits). This gives us plenty of combinations in which the offspring will be either hermaphrodite or not.
Normally, the female parent is not hermaphrodite, but we know nothing about the other parent, the pollen donor. Well, this unknown parent can be: a pure male (if the female parent is also pure, there should be no hermaphroditism on their offspring), a reversed pure female (if the female parent is also pure, all plants from the offspring will be females), an hermaphrodite female (the offspring is likely to be hermaphrodite), an hermaphrodite male (the offspring is likely to be hermaphrodite) or a reversed hermaphrodite female (the offspring is likely to be hermaphrodite). As you can see, we can get hermaphrodite offspring in many cases, although some of them are rare.
The only way to know if your bag seeds are good is growing them; this is a good idea if you want to select a plant from few seeds and do not want to spend money, but any professional grower would take that risk in large crops, since you do have a chance to get hermaphrodite plants which could pollinate the whole crop.
Hey guys, long time no talk. I used to use only LED’s, I ended up making the switch to T5’s and HPS mainly because of LED replacement costs, for the price you pay they never seem to last long enough for me and I can’t afford having to replace units so often. I’m very happy with the results I’m getting now but, the last LED I was using for flower was a beast. I had a 405 Chrome from Lighthouse Hydro and I was getting bigger, fatter, denser, and just plain nicer buds than a guy I know who was using a 1000w HPS, if it hadn’t started going to hell on me I’m sure Id still be using it. That being said, I AM getting more weight now than I ever did before, I’m quite happy with my lighting.
Sounds like things are getting better for you SteveO, glad to hear it.
It seems like too many people are too accepting of male flowers popping out on a lot of these new strains that are out there, I’m not one of them. There are plenty of strains out there in the world that are stable but, there are people constantly pumping out new crosses without proper testing and/or putting in the time to breed out undesirable traits, then these things go out and pollute the genetic pool further when they get crossed again and again with other things until we end up with a big fucking mess, which is where we’re at now. There was a time when breeders were breeding for the love of the plant, now it seems most of them are doing it for the love of money, more concerned with cashing in on the new gold rush than preserving the genetic pool of this plant we love so much. OK, enough of that rant.
I’m starting to get a pretty good collection of stuff going, considering how much I can handle anyway. I’ve been fortunate enough to make some good friends, one in particular, that want to send me clones of good stuff, cutting out the pain of pheno hunting for me, which can be difficult to do when running small numbers all the time. Also have some good stuff going from seed that was also gifted from a good friend, that would be the first thing on my list.
Sour Fire Lost
And I have a Hindu Kush Auto going too, kinda just for the hell of it. I also have a bunch of seeds that I’ve accumulated in a pretty short time and I have more clones coming my way very soon. One thing coming my way very soon is Dream Beaver. Of course I’m running clones from all this stuff to make sure not to lose keepers, things are coming together for me.
I also just recently changed up my nutrient line-up, I was using FoxFarm but, they are over-complicated, over-priced, and hard to really get dialed in. Now I’m using Advanced Nutrients – Jungle Juice 3-part system along with Humboldt’s Secret – Golden Tree and Cal-Mag, plus my own blend of tea that they love. (I’ve changed that tea recipe ever so slightly from what I told you Dani.)
Alright, enough for now. I hope you all are well and your gardens green. -Papa
Glad to see you here! Pretty nice collection of strains you got there, I’m sure you’ll get at least a couple of keepers from it! I completely agree with you in regard with breeding, many people only look for quick money and understand breeding as seed production. I have a superb Kush x GSC Forum cross (own selection) which develops few male flowers at the lower parts of the plant during the late stage of flowering. I’m trying to use it as parent for some test crosses, but will definitely have to remove that trait from the equation.
Please keep us updated on your selection!
Oh yeah, and Happy New Year!
Happy new year my friend, all our best wishes for 2016.
HAPPTY NEW YEAR! :):):) SteveO here with the latest. I now have set up two 1200 watt mars two lights at the opposing ends of my 4×8 tent with a air cooled 600 watt illumitex hps right smack dab in the middle. first in the middle for the beginning I used a 8tube t5 . once they got up I replaced the t5 with the hps. And hey PAPA , thanks buddy , I thank you endlessly for helping me with the hermi issue. come to find out it actually WAS light coming in . I found that ANY light even the little led light on the plug bar can illuminate a dark room and cause havoc . Now when you go in . it is black as the darkest black that there can be. And guess what gee now I seem to not be getting any seed issues or pollen issues. Thank you Alchimia for taking the time to correspond with me to the end helping me dial in this troubling problem I had. Never did you ignore me , so I want to say thanks guys , particularly Dan Alchimia and no doubt Papa Indica. You guys are stand up dudes. Thank you. Steveo . Now My flower room is wreaking so much toward the end of flowering , I don’t think I have ever hit it this solid before. You guys have a great year , can’t wait to hear how your next years grows go. I also just lately bought the very new (lec315) this new light only uses 315 watts and puts out the light duplicate of a digital 600 Hps with the entire ACTUAL COMPLETE SPECTRUM, from Uv to Ir. and the way the reflector , reflects the bulb down on the plants , it reflects five bulbs worth of reflection, you just have to see this light, 5 layered German engineered reflector paneling is state of the art. it puts out practically no heat as well. I have this light. they say that growers are pulling in a lb from each light. I tried it out in the veg and I can tell you it makes t5’s look bad and that is saying something . Take it easy buds. talk to you soon again, good to hear from you again Papa>
Dude I’m so glad we could help you!! Light leaks can cause problems, I usually cover any light (extension lead switches, etc.) with power tape or something similar. Btw, that Lec system looks amazing, can’t wait to hear your review on it!
All the best, and happy new year!!
Male pollen sacks, called nanners, will actually grow inside a female bud with no way to see them. And fertilize that bud. I’m also looking for a low-hermaphrodite strain. Some of these hiders can also be visible, but tucked underneath small buds lower on the branches. You have to lift the bud up with your finger to see it. One male flower very concealed. It’s a pain in the neck.
Sure, hermies can become a true pain in the neck if they go unnoticed. As you say, there are strains which seem to be specialist in the art of hiding male flowers, so we should always check carefully all buds, nodes, etc. looking for male flowers, especially when growing seeds.
Normally, old school strains like Skunk #1, AK-47 or the Super Silver Haze (in this case, feminized) are known for being stable and clean from hermie traits.
You hit the nail on the head Dani. My Skunk #1 and my Super Silver Haze seem VERY stable and seem to be against making hermis. so I have noticed. I mean you named two of the ones that actually do not want to hermi. this is no coincidence obviously that we both have had similar experience with these two strains. So far things are getting stinkier and stinkier , actually haven’t had any hermi issues since before and since,Iblacked out the room COMPLETELY , things have seemed to turn around for the better. I am getting ready to set up my 3×6 flood table with 70 gallon rez in my 4×8 tent loaded with Strawberry Cough , Bubba Kush, and Og-18, wheepphhheewww does it smell ripe in here ? I am going to have that lit up with two 1200 watt Mars 2 leds on each end with a 600 watt hps in the middle. ohh my god , it is going to kill it. And my 5×5 grow box. I am setting up a 4×4 botanicare flood table in there that just fits perfectly as so al the light will be on pant material and nowhere else , just hammering the plants.ILighting up the 4×4 table will be the Illumitex 300 ns (600 equiv) and the new 315 lec ( a light that is documented to produce more resin production per square ft than ANY other light or spectrum on the market so they say, and after playing with this light for the past week . I think it is going to do just that. so the grow box as well as the 4×8 tent are getting ready to get lit up in a big way. I expect to see some serious production here soon.
We made a selection lately of the Strawberry Cough, we have kept a couple of males and females. Not very stable, but there is a pheno with dry wood scent and strawberries background that is delicious. We also tried the Chocolate Rain (interesting phenos also), the Grand Daddy Purple (which I already grew once, I love the effect of that one) and what resulted to be the best of all, a Kush x Cookies hybrid. That last one produced one of the finest hashish I’ve ever smoked, absolutely spectacular:
I have a plant that was very thick but the branches never really grew . It’s the size of a cotton candy on a stick , it had very short fat fan leaves , the plant never grew with the others but is way beyond thicker. Nobody knows what exactly is wrong with it.
If it is only one of your plants, it could probably be explained by genetics. Sometimes, you see plants with deformations or plants that simply don’t grow as their sisters do. Does the plant look good and healthy?
Yo, Dani and Papa Indica, SteveO here, it’s been a while, I have a question? I have the strain East Coast Sour Diesel Haze from connoisseur genetics, and it is total lemon fuel pine funk , I nailed it this time. I have had no hermi issues at all any more, thank God. Well I did extremely well with this plant and none of the other plants went hermi or anything , but the Ecsdh did throw off a few seeds on a few of the scrap buds , only a few here and there on the lower end , so it wasn’t really hermi-ed out the tops are perfect , in fact most of the bud is killer and seedless athough I did end up with a small batch of what appears to be full healthy nice looking seeds. What do you think these seeds will be . Hermi seeds? or regs or fems? Remember I mentioned it was just a small tad of the plant that did this on the lower end, on a couple scragglers. in fact I had no idea until I was trying out some of the m as a sample since they dried quicker. and none of the other plants had seeds or male bananas. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Glad to see you here again, dude! I haven’t grown the ECSD, but I’ve been growing Reservoir’s Sour Diesel IBL for years, which is a sister of the ecsd. Do not worry about finding some seeds, many phenos of this genetic line often develop a few beans. Since these seeds come from an auto-pollination of female plants, they’ll more likely be females than males. I’d try them for sure!! ?
I started my growing almost 2 years ago. Recently I was given aseveral budded boxes of plants that had not only turned male and pollinated the entire 228 plants but the strain that was produced has 35 different strains in it. They are a Sativa, Indica and medicinal, high in cbd. Well as I just found out, the ones that have grown so far are all feminized. But alas, all good things come to an end. I had for the first time seed production in half of one plant. I took the seeds off the plant because they were located by the female pistals. Will this plant would you think be alright or will it sprout pollen sacks? So confused.
Whenever you find seeds in your plants it means that one (or some) of them have developed male flowers and released pollen. A few days/weeks later, you can notice small seeds forming on the buds. Some genetics (Diesel, Kush…) are known for developing a few male flowers during bloom, which normally only produce a small amount of seeds per plant. What you need to know exactly is what plant is releasing pollen and check whether it is a female that develpos few male flowers or it is a true hermaphrodite plant (you should get rid of it if it is the case). If you already got seeds then it means that some plant has released pollen a few days/weeks ago. I know it is hard, but you should identify this plant and remove it from the grow.
The plant that produced just a small amount of seeds was the East Coast Sour Diesel Haze from Connoisseurs Genetics. It only produced about 25 30 seeds. couldn’t find male flowers the entire length of flowering , only a few seeds in a couple of the lower branch buds. it seems the are quite solid seeds with the full pitted circle at the end of the seed. According to a site on the web this signifies feminized seeds.. I s it possible that this plant , just so happened to produce for me a few fem seeds? They look good and the bud that was produced by this plant was incredible, not wanting to get rid of plant due to its performance. this palnt seems to have a tendency to do this each timei flower it. each time it seems it only does this in a very minor way. The four or five times I’ve run this plant it does the same thing. the bud reeks and the flowers get nice and fat and oily with dank . What do you think? Like I mentioned , the seeds look nice , solid, light brown with tiger striping. Thanks Dani !
Nothing to worry about, many Diesel genetics develop a few seeds during bloom (I’ve grown the SD Riri cut for 8 years and it happens with that one too). Since they’re not real hermies, you have a chance that most of these seeds will be females. The Riri cut develops very few bananas (if it does) on the tops of the plant. I have a Cookies/Kush hybrid that does the same as your ECSDH: by just removing the lower buds I won’t find any seed. I’m not sure about the pitted circle; from what I know, a nicely developed circle means that the seed has formed correctly and that it will be viable, but I’ve never heard of distinguishing regs/fems just by looking at the seed.
Glad to see you around dude! ?
Thank you so much Dani, you hit the nail right smack on the head! That’s exactly what I thought. And just as you mentioned this ECSDH plant does, exactly that , it threw about three or four bananas, and I plucked them out and it only made about 25 30 seeds on only the few bottom branches that I consistently kept up with as to prevent any others from getting hit. it all seems to have gone my way this time. I got ridiculous bud , I mean the most perfect lemon lime dank diesel flavor, all along with a small handful of feminized seeds that each costs 15 bucks or so, that I now don’t have to buy. I know that there could be some of them that have other negative genes but I gather , like you said, I believe that most of them are going to be good ones.. So I made out good with this one I think, thanks so much for getting back to me on this , I really appreciate it, as even after 12 years . I Still Learn!…SteveO
I’m glad you got a nice harvest with this one!! As I always say…life is about learning!! ?
All the best, dude!
How do I prevent hermaphrodite from developing in a stealth cannabis landrace crop in Africa?
Unfortunately, hermaphroditism is a genetic trait so the only way to prevent it is using pure males and females and remove from the crop any plant with hermie traits as soon as possible.
Hi sometimes on week 5 onwards I do start to see tiny bananas not hundreds of them just a few and I alway pick them out immediately. I’m only going to be flower in for another three and a half to 4 weeks maximum and over the four years I have been growing I have only ever foun a couple of seeds however it does stress me you know what I mean there in full flower they’re looking great then you zoom in on a little banana and get this sinking feeling so I’m just after some reassurance I’m on week 5 and have just seen a plant with about four bananas and another plants with 2 bananas tiny single bananas done the usual pick them out but cannot help but feel palpitations when I zoom in on a banana from reading your thread they take 4 weeks onwards to develop into seed I shall be taking them down before this. I have found it is this particular strain that is more susceptible to hermaphrodite so just a few words of comfort from you please I am not going to separate the one but had a few bananas I’m just going to remove the bananas I’ve only got 4 weeks to go maximum obviously I will check every day for any new bananas and remove as soon as the tips are showing can I just chill out
From what you say, this does not seem a major issue as long as they’re only few bananas. Have you noticed pollen when removing them? If not, they won’t probably produce any seed, very few at most. Some strains will develop bananas no matter what you do, but sometimes too much light can make plants to develop some male flowers. Have you noticed if they grow mainly on the lower parts of the plants?
Normally, you can count a minimum of 4 weeks for the seed to develop since the male flowers release the pollen and pollinate the female flowers.
Also I am going to be buying new ballast I have got a 240 by 240 tent . At the moment I’m using 3 600 watt HPS two of them are vented . Any suggestions on if I should go up to 2 1000 watt HPS vented . I’m in the UK and can you send me any links for a good but cheap digital ballast . Thanks for your all of your help
From my experience, using 1000W systems inside grow tents is a bit risky. I’d use 4 x 600W HPS with air cooled reflectors if necessary, in this way you’d have much better light distribution than if using only 2 light sources.
One of our cheapest options among digital ballasts is the Bolt Electronic ballast. Lumatek digital ballasts also offer excellent quality with similar price.
Wow, I don’t how time and things just slip away from you, can’t believe it’s been a year since I’ve been on here! I’ve kept in touch with Dani so, I guess that made it easy to let this slip. My life is so damn screwed up that it’s not really that surprising I guess, my disability rules and most days are bad, other days are worse and the rest we don’t need to talk about.
Enough of that, I try to keep myself occupied with the grow as much as I can, I’ve had a lot of nice cuts get passed my way but, I’ve ended up keeping only the Sour Dubb and GG #4, the Chem D I had ended up throwing male flowers right out of the middle of some of the buds and seeded up a couple Sour Dubb’s and a Sour Secret I had next to them, I’m really not sure how the Jack Herer escaped getting pollinated by them but, somehow it did.
That’s one of the problems with some of these hot new strains that are always popping up, too many times they are the result of some pollen chucking and not real breeding efforts, which is work and requires just that…. work and effort, which is why they are unstable and we end up with more and more hermaphroditism. Personally, if I see a herm I’ll chop it every time, I don’t care what it is or how far along but, the way the Chem did it it just slipped right by. I probably wasn’t paying as much attention as I should have either, I had already decided I wasn’t running it again, I had run it before and at that point had only been keeping it going so I could pass a cut on to someone I had promised one to.
Anyway, it’s late and I’m high so, I’m gonna stop because my head is kind of rambling crazily. I’m gonna try and remember to get back here more, I don’t know why I stopped getting email notifications when there was a new post, I used to.
Hope the wife and baby are doing great Dani!
So good to see you’re back! As you say we see too many examples of pollen chucking nowadays, most of it coming from strains which were already created “by accident”, when a good clone hermied. Unfortunately, while keeping the good traits of the parent, the offspring will probably inherit the hermie trait.
I’m so glad to read your comments again my friend, my wife and baby are doing great, the little lady is soooo lovely. ?
All the best, speak soon!
Hey there I am in my second week of bloom and about 35 og strains are producing seeds I think it is cause of cold water and cold environment I know how to fix these I just want to ask if you revert them back to grow for a few weeks and try again if the herm trait is locked in genetics or are just posting cause of environmental influence
Hi Growing prancer,
I’d try to raise the temps of the nutrient solution and grow room. Still, finding seeds in the second week of bloom is pretty weird, plants usually haven’t even started to produce male/female flowers by then. Switching them back to grow and then again to bloom could stress them, and you still would have the plants seeded anyway. Honestly, if I find my plants pollinated so soon I’d throw them away and start again, seeded plants are much less tasty and potent than sinsemilla.
That is pretty crazy to be seeing seed production in the second week of bloom, as you say Dani, not many strains are showing much in the way of flower development at that point, let alone seeds! Clones obviously have greater maturity going into flower than plants started from seed, (as a rule anyway), so they’ll show flowers quicker but, even so, showing seed production that soon is blowing my mind.
It obviously isn’t an issue of those particular plants herming, they couldn’t possibly have produced pollen and spread it that quickly, it had to have already been present or came from other plants being grown nearby. Of course, the end result is the same, seeded plants.
I’m glad to hear the family is well Dani, I bet she’s beautiful bro! I’m envious, I love my sons but, I always wanted to have a daughter. Oh well, it’s kind of more fun being a grandfather to some girls I think, I get to spoil them more this way. :^)
Glad to read your comment my friend!! Yeeeah, being a father is the best thing in life. I’ll be soon writing you an email…
Just get autoflower strains, a haze strain is amazing, no need to worry about light leaks, get a sativa strain that likes heat, my fav strain is royal haze autoflower, mid to tall(up to 5 feet or more) and fast growing sativa, powerful cerebral high too, let them grow 24/7, it will take 7-9 weeks from seed to harvest
To the guy who was having all the issues finding seeds but now male flower in his pot. That you scrubbed and basicly gi’ied everything but still have the problem with seeds. Like one post said if there is no “bannas” on any of the plants their not” Hermes”. So if your doing everything as you say as far as keeping stress levels down while their flowering. Its bad seeds… Or foreign pollen stuck in your hair or cloths when u tend to them.. Youd b surprized how that causes plants to act crazy especilly during allergy season…
Back again, it’s been awhile. Probably not the ideal place for all of this but, we seem to have taken off with some chat here so…
For quite awhile now I’ve been going nuts trying to figure out why I’ve been watching my plants start to frost up nicely in the beginning and then watching it seem to slowly melt away as they developed through flower. No one could offer me any kind of explanation that made any sense. Well, I finally figured out that I had spider mites and that it could be attributed to them screwing with the plants. Also realized that they hadn’t become obvious by developing webs, etc., for two reasons, one because I keep a good, breezy environment in my flower tent and my RH is generally too low for them to really flourish.
I decided to deal with it by killing off everything I had growing and eliminating their food source along with the bulk of them and staying shut down for a good couple weeks minimum.
Since my disability puts so many limits on me, I had to have my wife go in with a piece of clear packing tape and pat around on top of my carbon filter and my light, (since I was told they like to get up into the highest spots like that), and then scoured that thing with the scope, starting at 60x and working my way up to 120x and i couldn’t find the first sign of a mite or an egg.
I’ve been fortunate enough to have had very little experience with bugs in my years of growing.
Going to try to put a couple pictures on here, or at least links to some pics. Never tried that here so, hopefully it’ll work out.
First one of the last plants I finished up, a Sour Secret.
Next I’ll try a pic of a Bubba Purple Chunk bud, a little something from OSG Collective and our friend Dani.
Last I’ll try a pic from the last of the GG4 I grew. This is from early flower and you can see how nicely it’s starting to frost up and the majority of it was gone from the leaves by the finish, really upsetting to watch it happen, can’t wait for a good run without them. Just started some Tokyo from Seeds of Compassion, some Fruity Pebble OG IC1 from Jaws, and a couple Airborne G13 x Exodus Cheese fems. Should be some fire!
Really hope these thumbnails work for me, fingers crossed. If not, you should be able to copy and paste the links into your browser to see them. Happy growing!
May not even get the thumbnails. Looks like the pic parts are “awaiting moderation”.
Meant to say, may not even get the links and apparently not, that sucks.
How good to see you here, mate!! How’s things? I managed to make the links visible, awesome pics!!
I’ve never heard of your problem before, and yes, it must be truly annoying. I can only think about some type of insect, but your plants seem healthy and free from pests. What is the RH in your flower tent? If it was too low it could cause some problems, although I don’t think it can make your resin glands to vanish. What about the buds? Are they also losing resin or just the sugar leaves?
Quite weird my friend…I’ll do some research about it!
Hey Dani, you must not have read through the whole thing bro, it was spider mites causing my problems. I had had them for a while but, they didn’t become obvious for two reasons from what I can gather, 1) my RH is generally too low for them to thrive and 2) I keep it too breezy in my tent for them to thrive so, I never once saw any webbing or anything to make it obvious to me.
Looks like I’ve got things cleaned up good and I’m really looking forward to the new stuff I just started up.
I hope things are going well for you my friend, I think about you sometimes and hope you and the family are doing well and the little one is healthy and happy.
P.S. I mentioned the G Cheese I started, (Airborne G13 x Exodus Cheese), forgot to mention they’re from Scott Family Farms, aka Reeferman.
Man!! I undestood that you thought they were spider mites but you never found any! Good for you then, glad you found out the source of your problem. The little lady is doing great, almost one year old now.
Talk soon my friend!!
Hi!! Loved reading all of this u guys have some great info and I learned a lot. Definitely have a hermie but my question is what can I do with the plant? Tea? Cannabutter? Even though it may be low in thc can I extract what it does have? Thanks in advance.
Hello Amber, thanks for your question.
Sure, you can use the hermie plant to make tea or butter or any other kind of extraction.
If there aren’t too many male flowers, you could even try removing them by hand as they appear and flowering the plant as normal.
If that’s too much trouble, then cut down the plant and process it in the way that best suits you. As you’ve correctly pointed out, the potency won’t be as high if it’s been harvested early, but you’re absolutely right to want to make the most of it and not waste anything! Good luck!
Based on comments above ,I am screwed. All my 4 tents plants which are Sour D, Laughing by
Buddha, and haze were pollinated by a Pot Gold
Male plant . I didn’t get out of the tent in time. Now the plants are 7 weeks in flower and covered males sacs. I will take my medune on this crop and learn.
My question is can I let the crop go to 9 weeks
And simply Harvey and cure it? I realize
I will have a shit load of seeds but can I smoke what I get? I am in a non Marijuanna date
. Also should I just throw away all the seeds, clean tent,start over with fem seeds next crop?
You should wait until the plant is ripe and harvest it, just as if it wasn’t pollinated. As you said, you’ll probably get lots of seeds, but you can smoke the weed without a problem (after removing the seeds, of course). Still, pollinated plants have nothing to do with sinsemilla in terms of quality.
If the Pot of Gold plant was a true male, then you’ll have a nice amount of regular seeds, which you could grow. On the other hand, if it was an hermie it would be better to throw aways the seeds.
Cleaning the grow tent after each grow is recommended, even if you didn’t have any problem with pollen.
Many Thanks.. Will do………… Colas are getting fat on all different plants.
Hey, this is a great blog. Thanks to all contributors, I wish you well!
Interrupting the plants photoperiod in the dark cycle induces hermies as far as i can gather but does interrupting lightcycle for 15min to 30min also stress the plant and induce hermies?
Thanks a heaps,
Plants grow or bloom according to the length of the night period. It is impotant to know whether we’re talking about a sporadic or daily interruption. If it’s sporadic, you’ll probably have no problems. But if it’s constant you may stress your plants (perhaps they don’t develop male flowers, but growth/bud formation may be affected).
Thanks for that, yeah just a planned daytime power outage, once off. D >
Dani Alchimia Post author September 29, 2017
Glad to help mate!!
People say that the odd seed you get I a crop of ladies is no good .but is that not how the original cheese started after being found in a bag of skunk at the exodos collective I Oxford
Are the odd seed in a female crop not female and not good to grow I got a couple of realy good looking seeds that I found in a white widow bud .thanks Tim
Unfortunately, you don’t know exactly where these seeds come from, I mean, you know nothing about the male parent. It could have been a true male – your seeds would produce males and females – or a hermaphrodite plant – your seeds are likely to produce hermie plants. It is up to you! If you really liked the White Widow mother you could find some good plants there, but as I say we don’t know whether they’ll be hermaphrodite plants or not.
I may not be the smartest of the bunch ,but when you buy seeds from plants that have been “femenized” you are just creating more problems for the industry. On the most rarest occasions 25% of the time do I find genetics worth noting. Look genetics are a lacking people there’s not terphenes, no cannabinoids, no nothing than besides the thc.
If you want good genetics keep a male and clone it if you notice that your plants are diminishing reseed and start again. If you can not find regular seed and only have femenized seeds grow the plants up keep clones in case you can’t get pollen sacks then wait for a full seed cycle to be initiated by the banannas. Grow these seeds separating the pre-sexed females and males ,then find the male that grabs your attention whether that’s short thickly gushed with slender leaves find the male that floats your boat clone it then seed it with the females. YES, not all female plants when pollinated go perfectly into seed.
Just remember the yin and the yang go into gardening . If you cheap out on the smallest of things expect big problems . The most important thing you can do is genetically diversify by doing your own breeding. We had seeds from thseeds and it was a Burmese kush and boy they were regular and had all females and the hermaphodite trait popped through and we had great bud that losted it all to genetic imbreeding.
Gardening takes years to master my only advice is nobody will tell you the truth because we make our own reality. So if I can say anything that steers you in the right direction buy organic. Carbon bonded minerals feed microbial life and help the plants aboard their broken waste, also keep a worm bin and use soil from that bin for your plants worms are great at helping plants grow,they aero rate and break nutrients down to castings. Also use “AZOMITE” A-Z ORGANIC MINERALS INCLUDING TRACE ELEMENTE” this stuff used by the natives ,only now can it be bought micro ized is excellent for giving the plant what it needs. Learn mother nature because human made crap is a problem .
Hi Robby, thanks for your comments. In the second paragraph you make a lot of very good points, I agree wholeheartedly that organic cultivation by feeding soil microbes and worms is absolutely the best way to grow the very best weed! And yes, Azomite is indeed a great product, highly recommended!
I have to disagree with what you say about feminised seeds though, I really don’t believe that the method of seed production can influence the quality of the resulting plants at all. Personally I’ve selected some amazing, cup-winning plants from feminised seeds on several occasions, and the few times I’ve done side by side comparison of regular and feminised genetics, I haven’t seen any difference in quality at all, apart from I’ve had more intersex issues with regular seeds than the feminised ones!
With the expansion of the cannabis seed market, many companies have seen the opportunity for vast profits and have placed quantity over quality, to increase profits and seed yield, many have been selecting parent plants for the amount of pollen they produce rather than for the traits they transmit to favour, which has led to a great deal of bland and characterless cannabis on the market. The fact that a lot of this is feminised only reflects the current marketplace, dominated by feminised genetics to cater to a market that increasingly seeks convenience and quantity over quality.
The most trustworthy seed banks will produce feminised seeds only from top quality parental plants that have been tried and tested to perform well, transmit the best qualities and show no intersex traits, meaning they will be extremely unlikely to produce any male flowers, even under stressful conditions.
So just to reaffirm, feminised seeds don’t produce poor quality genetics, it’s bad parental selection by avaricious seed-makers that’s to blame. There are plenty of great genetics out there to choose from, with some really intense and exciting terpene profiles and effects too, it’s simply a case of doing some research and finding a good seed bank with a reputation you can trust. Then, with your organic approach to cultivation you should be able to produce some truly special herb! Best wishes and happy growing!
The seeds produced by a fertilized-stressed female; are they fertile?
Hi Jane, It’s hard to say whether they’ll be fertile or not, it depends on a few factors such as genetics, maturity of seeds etc.
What I would say though, is that these seeds are the product of a female with intersex characteristics that you probably don’t want to perpetuate to another generation. These seeds, if they’re fertile, are likely to produce offspring with intersex or hermaphroditic tendencies, and will probably produce male flowers when stressed, leaving you with another seeded crop, which as a general rule isn’t what we’re looking for at all. My advice would be not to germinate those seeds and only breed with proven “true” female plants.
All the best, happy growing!
I have four plants all originally females ranging for 6′ to 8′ tall. They are starting to flower and I’ve noticed the most stressed out plant now is showing signs of
malle pollen sacks! Not sure if the plant is saveable can I cut the portions that appear Male and leave the female flowers.
Hi Cynthia, thanks for your question. That’s a shame, but if it’s only one plant then sure, you can just remove the male flowers as they appear. Sometimes female plants will produce a few male flowers at the beginning of flowering and then go on to be a problem-free female plant.
My advice is to keep pulling the male flowers off and see what happens. If it keeps on producing pollen sacks after you’ve removed them a couple of times, then personally I’d cull the plant. It’s not worth risking your entire harvest for one plant, it’d be too easy to possibly miss a male flower which could end up pollinating the rest of the plants, ruining the whole sinsemilla crop!
Hope that helps, all the best and happy growing!
Hi Cynthia read your question. I would take female showing male pollen sacks and cut it from the herd right away. I tried pulling off male parts and found it a losing battle. Any time I see male parts on a female off she goes. save your other 3.
I know it’s not easy but it’s reality. Enjoy smoking the other 3.
stevo – if you’re reading this, i bet you’re looking at calyx – the female preflowers. google it and lemme know
Can a feminised plant, that is induced with silver/water mix to make pollen sacs, fertilise its own flowers to produce its own seeds? if it can, how should i go about doing this?
Hi J, thanks for the question. Yes, a female plant can be “reversed” that is, treated with Silver Thiosulfate Solution (STS) to induce it to produce male pollen sacs. Then that pollen can be used to pollinate a non reversed clone of the same plant to create S1 seeds (self-pollinated 1st generation) which are feminised “copies” of the plant, although they will rarely produce and identical copy of the mother.
You’ll need to do some more in-depth research into the subject if you’re serious about it, but Silver Thiosulfate Solution is made by mixing precise quantities of Silver Nitrate with Sodium Thiosulphate and distilled water. It’s applied early in the flower period and basically works as an ethylene-blocker, causing hormonal changes.
Last q. With these seeds, can you germinate straight away after they have matured, or do they have a dormancy period, simulated winter (fridge??) or what??
Using seed from Hermaphrodites
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Started with 10 plants. 5 turned out male, 5 female. Further into the grow, 4 of the 5 females developed male flowers. Now have 5 plants with lots of swelling calyx’s and will get quite a few seeds. Couple of questions would appreciate feedback on.
Have read that seeds from hermaphrodites (that have been pollinated by hermaphrodites) will be pretty much “feminised” seeds. Anyone with real world experience with this able to comment??
Am keeping an eye on these with regard to when to harvest and start another grow. Pistils browning off, some of the calyx are quite large now, trichomes have heads, but are clear, no amber as yet.
But.. would like to know if there is any point in growing these past the point where the seeds are full mature and brown / striped?? Would assume plant is pretty much finished with itself once seeds are done??
Last q. With these seeds, can you germinate straight away after they have matured, or do they have a dormancy period, simulated winter (fridge??) or what??
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